⭐ Debate Number 2 and Columbus Day ⭐ Open Thread



Who won this debate?  There are, as always, many opinions. And few that manage to be impartial.

Those on the right will surely be unhappy with the following opinion because it comes from the Washington Post. They are rabidly partisan which makes them a very bad newspaper. That isn’t to say they never get things right or that individual writers posing as journalists do not from time to time actually report fairly. It happens. This piece seemed an attempt to be “fair”. Winners and losers from the 2nd presidential debate  

I didn’t expect any article in the WaPo to pan Clinton at least they didn’t cheer as if she did well. She didn’t and they didn’t say that she did. A low bar for a major newspaper and a presidential candidate.


Trump started the night with a Press Conference With Bill’s Alleged Victims. The left will scream foul and insist that Bill isn’t the candidate. However the fact that Hillary did all she could to cover his peccadillos and his crimes while working to smear these women makes this topic fair game IMO.

Coming from sleazy Trump makes it odd. Still these women have a right to have their voices heard and I can applaud Trump for giving it to them even if I can’t, and don’t, applaud his motive.

I think Trump saying if he was elected that he would appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate Hillary is going to be popular with many people. The left is having a hissy fit saying that Trump said he was going to throw Hillary in jail. Saying that Trump promised to jail Clinton only makes sense if you believe she’s guilty. As Ben Domenech wrote, “Appointing a special prosecutor does not equal throwing in jail. Unless she’s, you know, guilty.”

According to RedState:

There are some posts up already having to do with the debate and we will have more. The bottom line is, everybody thought this debate would finish Trump off and it didn’t. This is not going improve his standing in the polls (in my view) but he’s going to be standing to fight for another day.

RedState is hardly a fan of the Trump. But they saw quite a different debate that did the Washington Post. Funny how that works isn’t it?

I thought the post from David Harsanyi and Mollie Hemingway was a good one. I respect both of them. David is #NeverTrump and Mollie has been very critical of him and yet they managed to be fair and even admiring. Much as I loathe Trump I respect that they fairly reported on what they saw. It’s called journalism, the MSM might try it sometime.

5 Quick Takeaways From The Second Presidential Debate

Senior Editors David Harsanyi and Mollie Hemingway debate Donald Trump’s surprising performance, the moderators’ odd decisions, and whether town halls are from Satan.

DAVID: It was incredibly weird. The most surprising thing, as it turned out, was that Donald Trump — maybe for the first time in his political career — seemed to learn from his previous mistakes. Sometimes I wonder if I’ve set the bar so excruciatingly low that I’m misreading reality. For me, though, it was pretty obvious that he’d prepared; he came equipped with rebuttals and something resembling a strategy. Of course, there were still those long-winded, indecipherable dialogues – especially in the first 15-20 minutes when the moderators were focused on the “locker room” talk — but generally speaking, he sounded more like a politician tonight.

MOLLIE: I actually thought he did well even in those early minutes. He was disciplined about avoiding too much talk about the vile comments he made in 2005 and stayed focused on his campaign’s larger agenda. I will say that it all might have been too little, too late. This was the performance he needed in the first debate and prior to the Friday bombshell about his lewd remarks.


DAVID: Lester Holt was awful, but Martha Raddatz was one of the worst, if not the worst, presidential debate moderator I’ve ever seen. Not only did the debate feature all the predictably skewed questions and follow-ups, but Raddatz literally got into an argument with Trump, demanding specifics.

Will all those that loved to hate Megyn Kelly also now hate Raddatz?

At Conservative Review the opinion on Martha Raddatz was brutal: I’m not gonna let you finish: Martha Raddatz is the worst moderator of all time 

I have had nothing but contempt for Martha Raddatz for a very long time. Her behavior doesn’t surprise me.

Charles Krauthammer said that  The debate was a WIN for Trump tonight and then went on to explain why it was more of a draw.

Krauthammer also notes that it’s going to be difficult for Trump to win the election if things continue to go the way they have been. He says Wikileaks could come out with something damaging on Hillary which could help Trump, but then something else damaging could come out on Trump as well. It’s an uphill battle for Trump to pull out a victory at this point.

The bar is set so low for both of these despicable people that it’s almost funny. She wins if she is still standing at the end and he wins if he doesn’t have a complete meltdown. And one of them will be POTUS. SMH!

SMOD – the time is now!

In case you didn’t know SMOD stands for sweet meteor of death from a poll where people chose a meteor hitting the earth rather than choosing Trump of Hillary. It’s a joke. I think.

All politics aside, Today is Columbus Day.  You know all about Christopher Columbus – the fella that showed up in America a long time after Leif Erikson. But that’s a conversation for another time.

I put my flag out and it looks to be a nice fall day. The sun is shining and I’ll try to concentrate on that and think about elections as little as possible.


24 Responses to “⭐ Debate Number 2 and Columbus Day ⭐ Open Thread”

  1. piper Says:

    Stole this from a poster on Althouse (interesting what he wrote bec. he then stated that he would vote for Trump) SMH

    Trump cannot talk intelligently on major topics for even two minutes.

    * He had two minutes to talk about Obamacare.

    * He had two minutes to talk about the Supreme Court.

    * He had two minutes to talk about energy policy.

    * He had two minutes to talk about Syria.

    He squandered each such opportunity. He demonstrated that he lacks the knowledge and eloquence to serve as President.

    Instead of studying the issues during the past couple of years, he has spent all his time and energy watching TV news, tweeting, giving interviews, speaking to crowds. shmoozing talk-show hosts, and traveling.

    • piper Says:

      Wonder if he’ll blame the mic again, constant sniffling from the get go. 10 minutes in before Don starts talking about Bill Clinton and his sexual behavior – guess he’s forgotten that he’s running against Hillary not Bill.
      He started out answering questions but has a difficult time staying on topic.
      Regarding the video, he just said that it was locker room talk and he has apologized to his family and to the American p

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      It never ceases to amaze me that people will go on about how bad he is and then say they are going to vote for him.

      I get it, Hillary is horrible. But that’s doesn’t make him any better than the disaster that he is.

      It’s all just…

  2. piper Says:

    Bringing this up from yesterday
    Donald won on gutter tactics however lost on substance. His overall demeanor was a huge turn off for me – walking some say stalking while she was talking, inappropriate facial gestures, finger pointing, incoherent answers (may have started off well yet devolved into rambling zingers).
    Sadly many people believe his pie in the sky rhetoric / fantasy as the Obama followers.
    Something was also off in Donald and his family. His 3 eldest children greeting him warmly, Tiffany bussed him – no kiss although he attempted to kiss her and Melania unsmiling bussed his face with little warmth then walked aimlessly around.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Yeah, wasn’t that walking behind her creepy? Doubt he picked up any points with women with that. The crazy Trumpanzees won’t care but they don’t care about anything.

  3. piper Says:

    Our choices – an incoherent sexual predator bully or a corrupt lying progressive.
    The real losers – us – American citizens

  4. piper Says:


    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Having been in a Debate Class in high school I remember being told much of what this coach said. However I do think he was far too kind to Hillary.

      Yes, she did attempt to interact with the audience far more than Trump. And that’s always good. But I didn’t see her as “warm”. I don’t think she has it in her unless perhaps with her daughter and granddaughter.

      I’d have given them both Ds. Both are liars and frauds.

      And I swear if I hear one more politician talk about our system being “broken” I will have a screaming fit. Okay we get it, something is wrong. But for God’s sake use a thesaurus and find another word. You all sound like parrots.

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    Ben Shapiro: 3 Big Takeaways From Last Night’s Second Presidential Debate

    Trump Stopped The Bleeding Among Republicans. Trump won last night because he was expected to be toast, and he wasn’t…yet.

    There is always an easy way to stop internal hemorrhaging: attack Hillary Clinton. Trump did that last night. It’s the main reason he won the primaries: people wanted to see him throw the kitchen sink at Hillary Clinton. He did last night, and then followed it up with an incendiary device or two.

    She floundered. She had no good comebacks for Trump’s Broaddrick-Jones-Willey-Kathy Shelton attack. She fell apart on the emails.

    What an awful election.

    But Americans chose these two candidates, so I suppose we get the elections we deserve. Let’s deserve better next time.


  7. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    A Happy Columbus Day to you all, and thank heavens there is only one more of these debates. Ugh.

    I continue to be amazed at the people who justify, rationalize, and excuse Trump’s horrific treatment of women. This has been going on since the very beginning of the campaign, of course , though the level of his vulgarity seems to know no bounds…

    One of the most ridiculous justifications I have seen is abt women who bought the book, “Fifty Shades of Grey.” Apparently, these people cannot tell the difference between a work of fiction and reality, particularly in which the REAL person is running for PRESIDENT. It is absurd As is the dismissal of his claims of sexual assault. That isn’t “locker room banter,” that is a crime.

    I cannot believe this is where we are in this country. Wow…

    Great post, Marge – as always! Thank you for this!

    As for our Matthew displacement, Suzy is down at the house checking things out. I lost cellphone contact with her, so that says something right there. The beach got hit VERY hard, and our neighborhood lost lots of trees. No clue when we will get power back. In the meantime, we are gong to try to take the animals back home tomorrow, and stay somewhere closer to the house. We’l see how that works out..

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I am constantly amazed how far a person will wander from their principles and integrity for some damn politician! It’s repulsive.

      As Ben Shapiro and several other said this will probably stop the bleeding of Republicans for Trump but it will add nothing. And he needs to add – hugely!

      I can only imagine how much you want to go home. But just stay safe.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Suzy just called and said the house and garage are fine, a little water in her office, but not bad, and only some branches down in the yard. All in all, everything at the house is good – besides the no power thing, that is! Yay!

  8. helenk3 Says:


    reporter admits secret service at debate said no flashes because of hillary’s seizure disorder.

    this is important if true

  9. helenk3 Says:

    trump campaign fires cory steward

  10. helenk3 Says:


    soros money weakened homeland security policies

  11. helenk3 Says:


    oversight chairman wants answers on clinton e-mail report

  12. kenoshamarge Says:

    Donald Trump Calls for Debate Co-Chairman to Step Down

    Donald J. Trump demanded on Monday that the Republican co-chairman of the Presidential Commission on Debates step down, intensifying a clash that could precipitate Mr. Trump’s withdrawal from the third and final debate in Las Vegas next week.

    The move followed an extraordinary backstage confrontation on Sunday night between Mr. Trump’s campaign and the commission co-chairman, Frank Fahrenkopf Jr., who blocked Mr. Trump from giving his V.I.P. box seats to a group of women who have accused former President Bill Clinton of making unwanted sexual advances.

    The situation de-escalated only after the commission threatened to call security to remove the women if they tried to sit in the box, where they would have been right next to Mr. Clinton and in Hillary Clinton’s line of sight from the stage — a spectacle that Mr. Trump and his top advisers tried to engineer for maximum shock effect just as tens of millions of people would be tuning in from around the world.


  13. kenoshamarge Says:

  14. helenk3 Says:

    how we know it is fall in Florida


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