About That “Locker Room Banter”Claim *Open Thread*

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By now, everyone has heard of Donald Trump’s claim about his despicable, lewd, vulgar speech as well as his acknowledgement of willful sexual assault. He has dismissed these comments, and acknowledgement of criminal activity, as just “locker room banter,” and did so again in the debate Monday night.

Well, professional athletes beg to differ with Trump’s claim that this is how men talk in locker rooms. Several have taken to Twitter to deny that this is how they act. From Boston.com:

[…]

“I haven’t heard that one in any locker rooms,” McCollum wrote on Twitter in a response to a tweet from Crawford. McCollum plays for the NBA’s Portland Trail Blazers and Crawford plays for the Los Angeles Clippers.

[…]

Tamme, a tight end with the NFL’s Atlanta Falcons, asked that Trump “please stop saying ‘locker room talk,’” adding that “it’s not normal. And even if it were normal, it’s not right.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

 

One recently retired NFL player, Chris Kluwe, was having none of Trump’s comparison of his despicable speech, and wrote a letter to Donald Trump explaining to him, in detail, how wrong he was. From Vox:

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Last Friday, audio leaked of you making incredibly demeaning comments about women andbragging about sexual assault. When asked to justify your statements, you claimed that this was locker room talk,” and it’s just how guys speak about women.

You’re wrong, and only the type of wrong an over-tanned ham hock like yourself can accomplish, plummeting past the morass of gross incivility into the abyss of depraved sociopathy.

How do I know this? Simple. I was in an NFL locker room for eight years, the very definition of the macho, alpha male environment you’re so feebly trying to evoke to protect yourself, and not once did anyone approach your breathtaking depths of arrogant imbecility. Oh, sure, we had some dumb guys, and some guys I wouldn’t want to hang out with on any sort of regular basis, but we never had anyone say anything as foul and demeaning as you did on that tape, and, hell, I played a couple years with a guy who later turned out to be a serial rapist. Even he never talked like that.

Wow. Even a serial rapist never talked like Donald Trump. If eve there was a damning statement, that would be it. But Kluwe wasn’t done. He went into great detail about what players DO talk in the locker room, and none of it was what Trump claimed they discussed. Here are some examples from Kluwe:

[…]

We talk about our families. We talk about our significant others, our children, and our parents. We talk about our fears that if a Hitler wannabe who can’t even string together a coherent statement on domestic policy becomes president, what that might mean for those of us who are married to a member of a minority community, or are a member of a minority community, or have children going to schools where hopefully nobody screams racial epithets at them or tells them to go back to [insert foreign country they couldn’t identify on a map here].

We talk about travel. We talk about the cities we’ve seen, the stadiums we’ve played in, what vacations we might take in the offseason. We talk about what country might make a good safe haven if a Russian-backed presidential candidate whose foreign policy agenda can best be described as “gross negligence mixed with a spicy dash of treason” were to have control of our nation’s nuclear arsenal, and whether his stubby little baby fingers are strong enough to push in the launch codes on sturdy military-grade hardware.

We talk about money. We talk about what other guys at our position are making, what our next contract might look like, and how much paying taxes each year sucks, since we’re in the highest tax bracket and play in multiple states, requiring multiple filings. We talk about how allof us pay taxes, every year, and wonder what a presidential candidate might have to hide if he so stubbornly refuses to release his returns, what possible foreign debts might be lurking in that finance closet he so desperately holds shut with every ounce of his contemptible mental faculties.

There are more example’s in Kluwe’s letter to Trump, again, none of which descend to the level of vulgarity or bragging about sexually assaulting a woman. Kluwe, who is begrudgingly supporting Clinton, concluded his open letter to Trump with this:

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So let me conclude with some advice for you, Donald. The next time you want to claim that something is “locker room talk,” take a moment to recognize the fact that were you in an actual locker room, you would be universally reviled as a cancerous, egotistical train wreck of a disgrace that no team could possibly find the time to employ and, honestly, would never even have on their draft board to begin with.

I’ve been in locker rooms, Donald, and you’re the type of narcissistic, pants-soiling fecal eruption that just doesn’t belong. Even football players are smart enough to know that.(Click here to read the rest.)

Wow, powerful stuff, isn’t it? These players are not willing to be tarnished by Trump’s broad brush stroke, and they are not alone. A quick search reveals the number who have been quick to deny Trump’s depiction of how these men act.

What has been surprising to me, and disturbing, are the number of men, and women, who are willing to sell their souls and morality in support of the Cult of Trump, and in so doing, sell out Conservative women, as this Federalist piece lays out so well. From Christian Leaders to the head of the RNC, these men are standing with Trump despite his abhorrent comments. Many try to drag the Clintons into this, but this has nothing to do with them, and EVERYTHING to do with who Trump is.

That speaks volumes about them, all of them, and none of it is good. Not one bit of it is good. They have exposed themselves to be hypocrites on a major league level, and will never again be able to make any comments whatsoever about Bill Clinton’s past. They have jumped in bed with a man of such deplorable, despicable, character that they  have no room to talk EVER AGAIN.

This is where we are now in this country. It is mind boggling to me, especially to see religious leaders throw away all morality and ethics on behalf of a man like Trump, not to mention people for whom I previously had respect.

To attempt to justify in any way, shape, or form Trump’s claims of sexual assault by anyone, much less our leaders, religious and political, is a bridge to to Hell.

That’s what I think. How about you? This is an Open Thread.

 

On a personal note, we are leaving Columbia today and heading home, at least to return the animals to the house. Thankfully, all is well at the house, with just a little water that got into the office. There are some limbs and branches down, but nothing major Thank heavens. We don’t have power yet, and will stay at a hotel tonight if power isn’t restored today, but I know the animals will be glad to be back home. Thanks for all of the dupport, friends. I appreciate it!

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52 Responses to “About That “Locker Room Banter”Claim *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Great and timely post Rev. And funny how so many politicians and supporters fine this “locker room banter” tolerable. What kind of a moral compass do these sleazy people have?

    Steve Deace, who worked for some years covering sports says he never heard any thing like that. His sidekick Aaron, the youngest and there for the closest to his locker room days says he never heard anything like that.

    I even heard a clip of Jeff Sessions repeatedly avoiding answering the question, “if you grab a woman by her genitals without her permission isn’t that sexual assault?” Well yes, Jeff, it is. Take it from a woman who was once “grabbed” and hit the man over the head with her fist as hard as she could.

    Many are now running from Trump as fast as they can. Not enough. He should be standing alone and ashamed. Those that don’t denounce him and abandon his are IMO excusing and enabling him.

    And they can spare us the “Bill Clinton did it too” moral equivalency b.s. The way I was raised that argument didn’t work when I was five years old.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks so much, Marge – I appreciate that!

      I am truly sorry to hear you experienced an assault like the one Trump bragged abt doing. That is terrible! Good on you for defending yourself the way you did.

      Still, I am sure hearing a man running for President so cavalierly proclaiming that is what one should do to women – a CRIME – and have so many people defend it must make you ill.

      No kidding abt the moral equivalence – this has nothing to do with Clinton – either one of them – and EVERYTHING to do with what kind of man would promote sexual assault of women.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    That isn’t to say I am excusing Bill Clinton. I am not.

    • kinthenorthwest Says:

      It was not just Bill—Hillary ripped the women apart in person and on national TV.
      Also one of the women in the audience was the woman who got raped at 12 that Hillary got the rapist off She laughed about it 5 years after the fact.
      As I said “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”John 8:7

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Moral equivalency nonsense.

        1-Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from every form of evil.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          This man is running for PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES. I am sorry, but he should be held to a high standard – ANY nominee should be. That he is being excused for committing sexual assaults is hardly a justification for quoting Scripture implying that no one can hold him accountable for his actions. And I dare say, that is taking the proclamation out of context.

          Jesus was very clear that laws should be upheld, and he would NEVER condone or sanction women being treated as less than. His actions throughout his ministry were indicative of how highly he regarded women.

          Trump is the EXACT opposite. He shows nothing but disregard for women which he has demonstrated repeatedly for years.

          Sorry – there is just no justification for his behavior or his comments.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Of course Bill’s behavior should not be forgiven or condoned. What he did was wrong, and he paid a price for it. Not criminally, but in terms of his law license, the embarrassment of being impeached, and more. (He may very well have deserved to be charged criminally, though I imagine the stature has run out now.)

      What he did does not excuse what Trump has gleefully bragged abt doing. Treating women like crap is part and parcel of Trump’s fiber – he has demonstrated that to be the case time and time again.

      Oh, and don’t forget that when he was trying to bed O’Dell and the other woman, he was NEWLY married and had a PREGNANT wife.

      He is despicable.

  3. helenk3 Says:

    http://rightwingnews.com/hillary-clinton-2/breaking-wikileaks-releases-another-11000-emails-october-surprise/

    and the hits just keep on coming
    3rd wikileak release today

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

  5. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.hapblog.com/2016/10/wikileaks-clinton-campaign-sought-to.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    I find this very interesting

  6. helenk3 Says:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/10/10/private-speeches-clinton-claims-terrorism-russia-not-threat-america/

    according to hillary terrorism and Russia are not real threats to the USA.
    don’t worry be happy

  7. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440937/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-debate-

    very sad but true article

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

  9. helenk3 Says:

    http://canadafreepress.com/article/pat-smith-charles-woods-ask-court-to-enter-default-judgment-against-hillary

    Benghazi parents ask court to enter default judgement against hillary

  10. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/exposed-clinton-plans-fill-middle-east-white-house-team-former-obama-staffers/

    hillary tells Israel one thing, e-mails say another

  11. kenoshamarge Says:

  12. kenoshamarge Says:

    Eight Women We’d Actually Like to See Become the First Female President

    Condoleezza Rice, Former U.S. Secretary of State

    Nikki Haley, Governor, South Carolina

    Cathy McMorris Rodgers, U.S. Representative (WA-5)

    Susana Martinez, Governor, New Mexico

    Carly Fiorina, politician and businesswoman

    Joni Ernst, U.S. Senator, Iowa

    Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, U.S. Representative (FL-27)

    Mia Love, U.S. Representative (UT-4)

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/erikahaas/2016/10/10/eight-woman-wed-actually-like-to-see-become-the-first-female-president-n2230572

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      FYI – some of the women I agree about, others, not so much. Joni Ernst IMO is a big disappointment. I expected great things from her.

      Carly ended up endorsing Trump and now wants him to step down for Pence. I’m also disappointed in her.

      Don’t know much about the Congresswoman from Florida, I’ll have to do some research.

      Rice might well make a good president. Unfortunately I believe her too tainted by Bush and Cheney to ever get elected.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Just now when we checked into a hotel closer to Edisto, the young (black) woman behind the counter said that she thought that Gov. Haley did a great, great job dealing with this hurricane. She added that she didn’t vote for her, but she thought she handled this just right.

        I have to say, she has been FANTASTIC for this state. Suzy and I were just saying how disappointed we are not to be able to have her again (term limits). She would make an OUTSTANDING President. So would Susanna Martinez…

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          Those are the two women I think would make great presidents too. Both have “governed” well in their states and have executive experience in trying times. Both are more qualified than Trump.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            Oh, HELL yeah, they are more qualified than Trump in just abt every aspect possible. I might add, not only is Haley a fantastic governor who has brought a TON of jobs and industry to the state, but she is married to a Reserve Officer, and part of her tenure was spent with her husabnd deployed for abt a year. She governed, and took care of their two kids.

            One of my fave stories abt that was when she walked them outside in her bathrobe to send them off to school, and got locked out. Ahaha…

  13. kenoshamarge Says:

  14. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/weather/nicole-seen-regaining-hurricane-strength-by-tuesday-night-says-nhc/ar-BBxiw98?li=BBnb7Kz

    Amy
    please keep watch, we may get another one

  15. helenk3 Says:

    http://theresurgent.com/i-will-vote-for-evan-mcmullin/

    right now this would be the best thing for America. Both major parties need a wake up call. The contempt both parties show for the American people is beyond the pale. The need a swift kick in the butt to wake them up

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      That why the fools that are determined to write-in Ted Cruz make no sense. He hasn’t filed to be a write-in candidate anywhere. So they are just wasting their vote and it won’t be counted for or against.

  16. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/10/exclusive-excerpt-ed-kleins-guilty-sin-hillary-clintons-fatal-flaw/

    interesting

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I can’t remember if Ed Klein was on with Glenn Beck or Steve Deace but he was talking about his book and there is no good news there for Clinton fans.

  17. helenk3 Says:

    http://freebeacon.com/culture/atlantic-citys-bare-ruined-choirs/

    the ending of the Taj

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yep – the GREAT Businessman, Trump (cough, cough), has had yet another business die. It has been going down the tubes for some time. Now, 3.000 people are out of work, and another Trump icon is gone.

  18. helenk3 Says:

    marge.
    show this to Lou. or you could have the kids do this

    http://www.wimp.com/man-discovers-a-clever-new-way-to-make-paths-in-snow/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=video/

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I wonder if that works on cement sidewalks or driveways. We do shovel a path across the back yard to the bird feeders. It would be great there. And the squirrels and birds would love having a place where there isn’t snow. Thanks Helen – we’ll give this a try. Easier for me to roll snow than Lou, I’m much closer to the ground. And getting closer by the day.

      Oh and by the way, he watches that old movie channel you told me about ALL THE TIME. So thank you so much. Now I don’t have to listen to him complain about there not being anything on. I do have to contend with the sound of voices from the grave as many of the programs he loves has stars, Paladin comes to mind, who have long since passed on.

  19. helenk3 Says:

    http://endingthefed.com/its-over-hillarys-isis-email-just-leaked-its-worse-than-anyone-could-have-imagined.html#.V_049KkBEgg.facebook

    interesting e-mail on isis

  20. helenk3 Says:

    I just had this weird thought. does anyone know just how much of his own money trump has invested in his campaign?
    Since I have always thought that he was hillary’s trojan horse and the e-mails seem to confirm that thought I just wondered.

  21. helenk3 Says:
  22. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.caintv.com/new-project-veritas-secret-vid

    voter fraud

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Yeah, but there’s not voter fraud say the Dems. IMO even one instance is too many. And bless Project VERITAS for their courage dedication.

  23. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Dang,even Dr. Carson is defending Paul Ryan against Trump
    s attacks: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/300410-carson-defends-ryan-from-trumps-attacks

  24. helenk3 Says:

    http://soopermexican.com/2016/10/11/pledge-i-will-donate-to-charity-for-every-buffalo-bills-sack-of-colin-kaepernick/

    I like it

  25. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    And for our Jewish friends and family, may you have a blessed Yom Kippur: https://unitedwithisrael.org/gods-will

  26. helenk3 Says:

    http://conservativeread.com/secret-service-officer-the-hillary-clinton-i-know-is-a-complete-pathological-liar/

    I read this man’s book. very enlightening

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