#StillNeverTrumperButWillingToEatSomeCrow *Open Thread*


As many of you know,  I have been a #NeverTrumper from the get-go for a whole host of reasons from his ever-changing positions to his character (or lack thereof) to his treatment of women, and on and on I could go. I never expected him to win the Election, and completely missed that while Democrats were the ones to get him the nomination, they did not come out and vote for Clinton (Trump’s vote tally was less than Romney’s and closer to McCain’s). That I did not see coming, I admit, or the extent of the anger toward Obama and a possible third Obama term with Clinton.

eating-crowSo yeah, I have to eat some crow on that whole Election thing. I was wr, um, w-r-o, uh, WRONG, on that. I take some comfort in knowing I am in excellent company on that, though, from our own KenoshaMarge to the erudite Jonah Goldberg. And unlike Goldberg, I have not had anyone sanctimoniously or pompously or condescendingly tell me they “forgive” me for not supporting Trump. Seriously – people have said that to Goldberg as he noted in a recent post:


I’ve lost count of how many people have told me that since Election Day. Of course, the number pales in comparison with the legions who’ve told me I was “wrong about everything” this year and that the election of Donald Trump will spell the end of my relevance, my career and, in a few trollish instances, my life. But it’s the unsolicited forgiveness that stings more.

My position as a committed “Never Trump” (and “Never Hillary”) conservative in the primaries and general election earned the disappointment and wrath of a great many folks on the right, from longtime readers to longtime friends. Although I still feel in my bones that I have nothing to apologize for, it does seem to me that forgiveness, solicited or otherwise, should elicit some introspection.

Are my critics — either the forgiving ones or the menacing ones — right about me? Just how wrong was I?

I did get the election wrong. Although there were occasions when I wrote that Trump had a shot, certainly at the end I was convinced that he’d lose.

Yep – right there with you, Jonah. I got it wrong, too, which is still shocking. Not that I was wrong – okay, a LITTLE that I was wrong – but that this nation elected a reality tv star who does have a lot of businesses, but also a lot of FAILED businesses, tons of lawsuits against him, and had to settle on his Trump U  fraud lawsuit . THAT is what shocks me. I imagine it shocks Goldberg, too, as he continues in his good piece:

And yet, defensive though it may sound, I think the claim that I got “everything wrong” in 2016 reveals more about my detractors than about me. No doubt I got much wrong this year (this is true of every year ending in a number divisible by 1), but the only sense in which one could plausibly claim I got everything wrong is if Donald Trump is your everything. Indeed, the bulk of those shouting that I got “everything wrong” seem to be the “Trump can do no wrong” crowd as well.

There is a weird, not quite fully baked idea out there that if you — or me — were wrong about Trump’s electoral chances, that means you must be wrong about the man in full. There is no such transitive property in politics or punditry. I don’t know what George Will said of Richard Nixon’s electoral prospects in 1972, but even if he had predicted a McGovern landslide, that wouldn’t mean he was wrong about the outrageousness of Watergate.

That said, I already feel comfortable admitting that, beyond my electoral prognosticating, I got some things wrong about what a Trump presidency will look like. Though many on the left and in the media see his Cabinet appointments and policy proposals as cause for existential panic, as a conservative I find most — but by no means all — of them reassuring.

I too admit that Trump has had some decent picks for positions, but others have completely left me scratching my head, like his pick for Sec. of State, Rex Tillerson. Who?? There is no doubt Trump played a whole bunch of his sycophants, and Romney (who most definitely was NOT a sycophant) in the whole Sec. of State competition. I am sure he whispered in many of their ears for months that if only they supported him, they would receive a plum position like Sec. of State. That is one thing I mot definitely DID get right – Trump played a whole bunch of these fools like violins. Just ask Gov. Chris Christie and Speaker Newt Gingrich. Uh, yeah.

And don’t even get me started on the despicable Bannon. UGH. Or weasley Reince Priebus who clearly got HIS payback for going all in for Trump. Yep. He’s set for a while, isn’t he? Blech.

181571_600One thing that continues to confound me, though, is how this country has so lowered its standards for  President. That shocks me. We are talking about the leader of the Free World, and now we have  someone like Trump, the Tweeter-in-Chief who makes disparaging comments about people in 140 characters or less with reckless abandon, a point Goldberg also makes:


What I have chiefly in mind is that rich nexus of unrestrained ego, impoverished impulse control and contempt for policy due diligence. I firmly and passionately believe that character is destiny. From his reported refusal to accept daily intelligence briefings to his freelancing every issue under the sun on Twitter — including, most recently, nuclear arms policy — Trump’s blase attitude troubles me deeply, just as it did during the campaign.

On balance, I don’t feel repentant. But I acknowledge that Trump has surrounded himself with some serious and sober-minded people who will try to constrain and contain the truly dangerous aspects of his character. If they succeed, I’ll happily revisit my refusal to ask for forgiveness. (Click here to read the rest.)

I don’t feel repentant either. And while I am glad Trump has some decent people, it is still WAY too early to tell what he is actually going to do once he gets into the White House. That is one of the other BIG things about him: he is highly unpredictable and highly vindictive, so heaven only knows what will end up happening.

Time will tell, though for now, I am #StillNeverTrumperButWillingToEatSomeCrow.

At least that’s what I think. How about you? This is an Open Thread.



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41 Responses to “#StillNeverTrumperButWillingToEatSomeCrow *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    I still don’t like Trump and I will never like Trump even if I do like or approve of some of his choices or actions. I will always be ready to flinch away from the next nonsense.

    But I am not #Trump any longer. For me that was for the election and I’ve left that behind. Much to my amazement he won – even here in Wisconsin where I didn’t believe he had a chance.

    Yes he lost the popular vote. But if you take away the welfare/socialist/liberal/corrupt states of New York and California and their millions of greedy voters he won the rest of the country’s popular vote.

    So I play the Ben Shapiro game of judging each Trump action as either #GoodTrump or #BadTrump. I’ve found a few #GoodTrump and a few of the #BadTrump.

    One thing I am very sure of, I would not have seen any #GoodHillary actions. So I have already eaten my crow and am just in a wait and see holding pattern.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I totally hear you on that, Marge – and yeah, post-election, for me it is more like, “WillNeverLikeTrump.” I agree that post-election, being”NeverTrump” is more like the above, at least for me. I will take each thing as it comes, but I don’t expect much. Consequently, anything good Trump does will be gravy.

      I have ZERO problem with Trump winning via the Electoral College. That is how we do things, and that is for what CLINTON was planning, too. So to act now like she was solely going for the popular vote to get the win is just silly.

      And like Goldberg, I was also #NeverHillary. Had she gotten the nomination in 2008 that she rightly won, that would have been one thing. She was a moderate then. But now, she is spouting all the Obama Leftist nonsense and I think the people clearly said, “ENOUGH.”

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I agree with you about Hillary – I think she felt, justly so, betrayed and became a bitter woman because of it. She saw the success of Obama, as portrayed in the media not in reality, and thought she should move left to be more like him.

        To give her credit I don’t think she thought it was all about his skin color. I think Bill did though – he’s too canny a pol not to.

        In her desperation she, who didn’t have clean hands to begin with, became more corrupt and in the end I believe that’s what did her in.

        That and the public’s decision that they had quite enough Bush Clinton dynastic elections.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I bet she did become bitter as a result, especially because Benghazi was largely hung around HER neck even though the SoS is charged with carrying out the will of the PRESIDENT.

          She could have, and HOULD have, resigned after that, after Obama refused to act to save those men. I would have had a lot more respect for her had she done so. Even all of the other State Dept stuff around the Middle East was to carry out OBAMA’S (and Ben Rhodes’) will. They blew it big time, and lives were paid for their mistakes.

          But Obama managed to get off relatively unscathed by it all. Having help from the media, like Candy Crowley, et. al, helped for sure.

          But yeah – Clinton made her bed. Had she stuck to her guns and listened to what people were saying lie on Obamacare, she may have gotten more crossover votes. Oh well – she blew it too, and now we have Trump.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      AHAHAHAHA. Just this morning I saw Trump was getting into it with the Intelligence people (I think it was) via Twitter. WOWIE ZOWIE, what a way to run a country!!

      And I was a bit tongue=in-cheek with my title – Twitter is one form of social media I refuse to use, and I don’t even know if I could HAVE a hashtag that long, but I thought it was funny. I might have been the only one who did! 🙂

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        It was funny now that I think about it. My problem is probably that I’ve seen too many comments over at The Right Scoop from people that really are still #NeverTrump. They haven’t got over the primary let alone the general election.

        And many of them judge other people on whether they were “nice” to Ted Cruz or not. And many of them are already spouting Cruz2020 nonsense.

        I like Ted Cruz. I think he is among the best of the politicians in Washington – maybe in the country. But he’s no saint and he is a politician. So I always look at what he says and does through that lens.

        And beyond that, be it Cruz or Trump – I don’t join cults. And far too many have done just that even while saying they did not/have not.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          If I had seen or been subjected to the ire of #NeverTrumpers #CruzCultists, I might not have thought it was funny either! 🙂

          Yeah – there is no politician in the WORLD who deserves cult status, not a one. But we have had Obama twice and now Trump with massive cult followings. That is troubling, to put it mildly…

          • kenoshamarge Says:

            My bad my friend – I know you better than that. The fact that I had seen someone post that they were still #NeverTrump and saw people swarm the ^ button is no excuse. I spent a lot of time at The Right Scoop after I left NQ. Now not so much. TDS infests the place.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            Oh, no worries! It makes a lot of sense that it wouldn’t seem at ALL funny considering what you have seen and to what you have been subjected.

            I hate that these sites have become so infested with cultists and hate mongers. Sheesh.

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    Kurt Schlichter: Watch Out: Here Comes #TheResistance

    The powerful hashtag #TheResistance has become a rallying cry for the frustrated grad students, snarky hipsters, and trustafarian millennials who make up the “We’re 24 and Oh So Smart” wing of the Democrat Party. Using it is the kind of hardcore, meaningful symbolism that will galvanize Americans to once again recognize how important it accept Gaia’s will that urban liberals rule over us.

    After all, typing #BringOurGirlsHome at the end of earnest tweets totally saved those Nigerian children kidnapped by … uh, … people who were not at all motivated by any particular religion and to say different just shows you’re an Islamophobe.

    Yes, as America succumbs to the fascist Nazi badness of Donald Trump, who is totally a fascist Nazi bad guy because the words “fascist” and “Nazi” apparently now mean “Anyone I think is bad,” it’s clear that it is members of #TheResistance who will lead the way in effectively and meaningfully opposing our 45th President, Donald J. Trump.


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      He is SO right abt how “Nazi” and “Fascist” are used. Never mind that Nazis were DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS, just like good ol’ Bernie Sanders, which just defies sanity. But yeah, the Left has done a great job of connecting conservatism to Nazism even though the truth is the complete opposite…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Usually the minute someone starts using the “Nazi” tag I stop paying any attention to what they have to say.

        Do they not know of the horror of what the Nazis did? To call Trump, or any American politician a Nazi is absurd.

        Having said that – Kerry and Obama are on my watch list. Aside from my belief that both men, and many other liberals are anti-Semites there are their actions and words to consider.

        The Nazi Party didn’t spring full blown into existence. It took time and a mind set that allowed for the killing of over 6 million Jews simply because they were Jews.

        I am deeply concerned over the anti-Semitism on our college campuses. Deeply concerned.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Same here. That ends the conversation immediately, just like using the race card.

          I am extremely concerned abt the anti-Semitism on our campuses and in the nation as a whole. It annoys me no end that Muslims are constantly depicted as victims in this country when Jews are targeted more than 2x as often as Muslims – and they never committed terrorist attacks against us.

          Yeah – you will be hard pressed to hear abt anti-Semitism on tv dramas, but you can bet you wil see Muslims depicted as victims.

          Great point abt the Nazi Party too, Marge. You are so right.

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

  5. helenk3 Says:


    interesting take on backtrack’s white years

  6. helenk3 Says:

    never in the history of this country have we had such terrible choices for president. A continuation of the polices of the worse president in my lifetime or a loudmouth con man.
    He has been elected and I pray he does a good job. DC has to change it has not been good for the country for a while. Maybe people go there with good intentions, but the swamp gas rots their brain. The forget why they are there and just what their job is. I hope the shock of a trump win will wake them up and set them on the right path for this country. Maybe some of the damage from the last years can be undone or fixed.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Couldn’t agree more, Helen – terrible choices, but one of them has been elected, so now all we can do is hope, pray, and hold our elected officialss’ feet to the fire to do what they SAID they were going to do…

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I don’t think most will “wake” up. They are too busy calling other American voters names and believing any cockamamie story that comes along.

  7. helenk3 Says:

    the people I have a real problem with right now are those who would weaken the office of the president because they lost. The president has to deal with foreign powers and giving them the ammunition to think he does not have the backing of the American people is harmful. In being more interesting him of different bills than working for the good of the country is harmful to the country.
    Why they can not see this amazes me.

    • helenk3 Says:

      interested in fighting him

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      These people have learned that if they stamp their feet and throw temper tantrums, they get what they want. Just look at all of the lunacy going on at universities across the country: safe spaces, no use of pronouns, getting the day off after an election because they can’t handle going to class, and on and on it goes. Ugh.

  8. helenk3 Says:

    interesting panel

  9. kenoshamarge Says:

    GOP Hijinks on Ethics Panel: Amateur Hour, Not Corruption

    Is it that there’s a new sheriff in town, here to save the GOP from its penchant for self-destruction – or at least to stop the bleeding earlier than usual? Is it an incoming Republican administration versed in the art of Clintonian triangulation against its own party in Congress?

    These questions will be answered in due course after January 20. For now, suffice it to say that President-elect Donald Trump induced House Republicans to reverse their politically inept decision to trim the sails of an independent ethics panel.

    Tuesday morning, Trump tweeted out his displeasure at the GOP conference’s unilateral decision, on the eve of the new Congress, to rein in the powers of the Office of Congressional Ethics, an unelected in-house watchdog. Or as the New York Times hyperbolically put it, to “gut” the OCE.

    Though the tweeted rebuke was mild by Trump standards, it helped raise the volume of hysteria already pouring out of the Left, portraying the Republican move as a harbinger of unprecedented corruption.

    Following Trump’s tweet, House leaders scrambled to convene an emergency conference meeting, at which the ethics proposal was scrapped before the new session commenced.


  10. helenk3 Says:


    anti-gun state hires a gun runner to battle white house

  11. helenk3 Says:

    so far Schumer is not impressing me much. not much difference between him and reid. do not even pretend to try to work for the betterment of the country. the party and backtrack’s legacy is more important to him. not in the best interest of this country

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Schumer is a schmuck. I know Trump likes him, and he may say the right things abt Israel, but yeah – he is another one more concerned with Party/Legacy than Country…

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Reid was just an evil, corrupt old man and as such I loathed him.

      Schumer is much the same only covers it with a “smarminess” that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

  12. helenk3 Says:

    i agree


  13. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I could not agree more abt “transgendered children”: http://www.dailywire.com/news/12126/president-american-college-pediatricians-promoting-amanda-prestigiacomo

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      This is nothing less than child abuse IMO. And for the love of heaven, no little girl was ever surrounded by so much pink. Makes a mockery of what they are espousing.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Needless to say, we will not be renewing our subscription. And we immediately recycled this issue.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Oh, and yes – you are absolutely right abt the mockery being made. UGH.

  14. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    No kidding. Theismann is spot on: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/ct-joe-theismann-colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-20170104-story.html

  15. kenoshamarge Says:

    David Harsanyi: Russia Isn’t Our Friend, But That’s Doesn’t Make The Left’s Conspiracy Theories True

    Here are two positions an intellectually honest person can simultaneously hold.

    First, that Russian President Vladimir Putin is an authoritarian who, though no Stalin, still subverts human rights, and is generally antagonistic to the idealistic aims of the United States . When Republicans cozy up to this sort of person, as Donald Trump has done, they undermine the stated beliefs and values of conservatism.

    Second, though there’s little doubt he wishes he could, Russian President Vladimir Putin did not “hack” the American election. In fact, there’s no evidence that the Russians had anything to do with Trump’s victory.

    In politics, proving something isn’t nearly as important as feeling it. So it’s not surprising that last week, Economist/YouGov found that 52 percent of Democrats now believe Russia “tampered with vote tallies” — not that it leaked real-life emails to the public, but that it altered the outcome of the ballots in a presidential election. There is no proof of this happening or that it was even attempted. If we’re to believe YouGov, Democrats are more likely to believe the Russians installed Trump into the presidency than Republicans are to have ever believed Barack Obama was a Muslim.


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good LORD. It is astonishing that Dems believe that Russia influenced the election. They aren’t just sore losers, they are DELUSIONAL losers.

      And Harsanyi makes an EXCELLENT point abt Reps needing to think twice before cozying up to Putin. I know politics can make for strange bedfellows, but still – there has to be some common sense involved.

  16. helenk3 Says:


    rinos on clinton payroll named

  17. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    What in the world have we become?? This is beyond disturbing: http://therightscoop.com/evil-kidnapped-special-needs-man-tortured-facebook-live-chicago/

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