“It Is The Dawning Of The Age” Of Trump *Open Thread*


cartoon-bull-in-china-shopWe are just two weeks out from the Inauguration of Donald J. Trump to be the 45th President of these United States. Honest to God, I never thought I would have to say or write, “President Trump…” Nope. But here we are, with Trump continuing to make headlines for things he says, does, or Tweets just about every day from the superficial to matters of National Intelligence and Foreign Policy. Holy smokes.

Professor Larry Sabato of the Center for Politics at UVA had an interesting post that provided the inspiration for the title of this post with his, “2017: At The Dawn Of The Age Of Trump.” In it, he notes how very differently this transition period is going with Trump compared to previous Presidents. I guess that shouldn’t be a surprise considering Trump’s entire campaign flew in the face of traditional campaigns, politics, and elections.

To this transition period, Sabato wrote this:


  • Trump won the election with narrow but convincing margins in six states won by Barack Obama twice (Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, along with bigger victories in Iowa and Ohio). This kind of swing-state sweep cannot be called a fluke or an aberration, especially given Hillary Clinton’s towering financial and organizational advantages.

  • At the same time, Trump lost the popular vote by close to 2.9 million, the largest number ever by a candidate who captured the all-important Electoral College. Losing nationally by 2.1 percentage points will hinder Trump in various ways during his term; at the least, it provides a stinging rebuke for Trump’s opponents whenever he takes unpopular actions. (While the popular vote is not how the United States picks presidents, the Trump camp’s argument that they could easily have generated the needed votes in non-swing states if they had wanted is a weak one. The Clinton campaign could have produced millions more votes, too, had there been some payoff for doing so.)

  • While almost nothing Trump says or does reduces the fervency of his millions of core backers, the president-elect’s controversial tweets and braggadocio have won him few new supporters. He has not reached out to reunify a badly divided country in any sustained way. As a result, he has the lowest ratings of any modern president-elect during the transition period. Essentially, he is about at the 46% level he garnered on Election Day, while other recent presidents-elect have soared in the run-up to their swearing-in. For instance, Gallup found in mid-December that just 48% of Americans approve of how Trump is handling his presidential transition, compared to 75% for Barack Obama, 65% for George W. Bush, and 67% for Bill Clinton. […]

I want to address the last point about Trump not being a “uniter” (as if Obama was) down below. Rachel Lu of The Federalist has a great post about this very issue, and I’ll share some of that in a minute. But first, back to the Trump Transition from Dr. Sabato:


If you doubt it, think back over the Obama-to-Trump transition. While Obama and Trump have been mostly gracious to one another (with prominent exceptions), the two presidents have been akin to dueling suns in the sky. For the most part, this is unprecedented, and the “one president at a time” convention has been shattered. Herbert Hoover and Franklin Roosevelt sharply disagreed during their 1932-1933 transition, but the differences were not played out in the headlines. In other party turnovers in the past hundred years-plus, disputes were muted in the interregnum, with the incoming president deferring to the outgoing chief on policy while the president-elect concentrated on picking a Cabinet and making quiet preparations to govern. This description applies in large part to the transitions between Eisenhower-JFK (1960), LBJ-Nixon (1968), Ford-Carter (1976), Carter-Reagan (1980), Bush 41-Clinton (1992), Clinton-Bush 43 (2000), and Bush 43-Obama (2008). (Click here to read the rest.)

There is no doubt that Trump is handling this transition in a WHOLE other way than anyone else. Sabato noted too how Trump is using his phone to rock the boat prior to his taking the oath of office.

A “uniter” Trump most definitely will not be, to circle back to the statement made by Dr. Sabato above, and to move to the Federalist article by Rachel Lu. The title of her article really says it all: “Donald Trump Won’t Unite Us, And That’s Great News.”

That isn’t the sort of assertion you hear very often about Presidents, so this one definitely caught my eye. Here is the the point of Lu’s statement:


In one respect, though, I remain immovably pessimistic. It’s hard not to laugh when people enthuse that Trump might be the man to heal divisions in our country and unite our nation.


If this is just an empty platitude for a celebratory occasion, I’ll back off and let people have their moment. Otherwise, let’s stop this foolishness. Trump has shown precious little interest in uniting us. But even if he wanted to, it would be a completely unrealistic goal. 


In retrospect, it seems obvious that those promises were either deluded or insincere. Still, they at least paid lip service to unity. Trump, by contrast, presented himself as a bruiser who would break things and punish the malefactors.

All of that is true. But here is the MAIN reason why Trump won’t be a uniter:

Trump’s disposition is a secondary issue, however. Realistically, no single person could “unify America” right now. We have a fractured society, and no magical elixir could heal it in just four years. By all means, let’s hope that the Trump administration does some good things! But let’s not kid ourselves. A national kumbaya moment is not in our near future.


The bottom line is that Americans are lonely, alienated, and looking for solidarity. But we’re also just really different from one another. It’s easy to understand why “uniting the nation” in a substantive-yet-harmonious Americanism would be an attractive dream. Realistically though, any serious attempt to do it will inevitably involve the pre-emptive exclusion of somebody else’s cherished dreams. That’s not going to create peace and harmony. Quite the opposite, in fact.(Click here to read the rest.)

And there you have it. NO ONE could unify this nation in just four years. So much has happened over the past eight years that there is no telling how long it will take to get us to be a more united nation.

And, we are a nation filled with people and groups who are different from each other. But we are similar in one big respect, as Lu notes – we are all Americans. Lu discusses that at length in her good piece, and I highly recommend reading the rest.





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28 Responses to ““It Is The Dawning Of The Age” Of Trump *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Great piece Amy!

    Yes, I too did not think I would ever say “President Trump”. I have over the last 8 years always referred to Obama as just Obama. I intend, unless something spectacular happens continue that by calling Trump, simply Trump. I acknowledge that both men were and will be POTUS and I may, from time to time call Trump POTUS as I did with Obama – but I will not call him President. I respect the office, as it was intended, too much to ever call either of these narcissistic men by the title.

    One thing I noticed in Sabato’s piece was that he didn’t bother to explain that almost all of those 2+ millions votes came from California and New York. I think that is an important fact.

    Loved Lu’s piece and couldn’t agree more. No one would be able to “unite” us in one term. In fact so long as the media insists on tearing us apart with their fake news and biased news I don’t think it is possible in any foreseeable future.

    Obama divided us racially worse than we have been in a generation. And now far too many AAs think they are victims. Too ignorant and lazy to learn the truth.

    I think this is a topic that will be constant during Trump’s tenure. The hyperbole and hysteria on the left will allow for nothing less.

    Prime example is Rachel Maddow saying that if she could ask Trump as question she would ask if he was going to put her in a camp. Such crap is detrimental to all of us. And shows her for what she is – a POS!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks so much, Marge – I appreciate it!

      Great comment, too. True enough that Sabato failed to acknowledge that it was two big coastal states that provided the larger margin in popular votes for Clinton.

      No doubt abt the impact Obama has had on race relations in this nation. He has taken us to a whole new low. I hope to God we can recover from the damage he has done, and the damage he has allowed the BLM to do…

      Oh, good grief. Maddow is such a piece of work. Cannot stand her and the hyperbole she employs (among others).

      Can I say too that while I appreciate people are not happy abt a Trump Presidency – hell, I am not happy abt it, either – this refusal of groups and entertainers to not participate in his inauguration has just gotten to be silly. You don’t have to LIKE the President to participate in the ceremony. And not for nothing, but these people seem to forget that plenty of people DID vote for Trump and may no longer feel inclined to support those who are digging in their heels. Just a thought…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        The #NeverTrumpers continue to insist that the vast majority of people that voted for Trump are the Trumpanzee cultists who excuse anything he says or does.

        Even now if you take a wait and see attitude they insist you are a “Trumphumper”.

        I don’t think so. I think the majority of Trump voters were those that simply took a chance on what he would be because they were sure that Hillary would be more of Obama and all the insanity that meant.

        Trump is, IMO, nuts. But the policies of the left are insane. So you get your choice of nuttiness.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    Here’s some good news. If Trump actually does it.

    Trump Can Reverse Obama’s Last-Minute Land Grab

    The White House is trying to lock up millions of acres, but no president can bind his successor.


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Obama is doing his damndest to do just that – tie Trump’s hands. I hope he is not successful…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Obama and the hysterical MSM are just proving to all those that voted for Trump that they were right to do so.

        Never thought I’d live to see the day I would find myself defending Trump – hell has truly frozen over.

        But principle demands you accept facts even if they aren’t facts you like.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I know – it is disconcerting, isn’t it? But as much as I dislike Trump, Obama’s attempts to handcuff him are just wrong.

          Yep, “elections have consequences,” as Obama stated, and his attempts to thwart those consequences are petty and small. You now, SOP for Obama…

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Amen to that. We had to go to the Bronze plan from the GREAT plan we had before because of the exorbitant costs of Obamacare. Our insurance now costs much more for much less with extremely high deductibles and out of pocket expenses. Thank HEAVENS Suzy’s company pays 2/3 of the monthly premium – but still, it is pricey indeed. All thanks to Obamacare.

    • helenk3 Says:

      the really funny thing about this is that the new thing in slang is saying something is “sick” when it is great.
      example my youngest grand daughter saw a picture of a classic car that I love. she wrote that is “sick” grandmom. meaning iti is a really great car

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

    White House: ‘Too Early To Tell’ If Chicago Kidnapping Is A Hate Crime


    Any bets on if it would have been too “early” to tell if it had been 4 white torturers and a black victim? Me neither!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Are you kidding me with this?? When they are making blatantly anti-white statements and TORTURING a white person?? What the hell is there to question about this??

      And you are so right – there would be NO hesitation if the situation was reversed, none at all. BLM would be out stopping traffic and wrecking businesses immediately if that was the case.

      So sick of the hypocrisy…

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    Send in the Head Clowns, The delusional Democrats of 2017

    Democrats have been in power for so long that they’ve forgotten how to oppose. Their party has been on a roll since 2005 when the botched Social Security reform, the slow bleed of the Iraq war, and Hurricane Katrina sent the Bush administration into a tailspin. The Democrats won the Congress the following year and the White House two years after that.

    And while they lost the House in 2010 and the Senate in 2014, Democrats still had the advantage of retaining the White House, a president seemingly immune from criticism, the courts, the bureaucracy, and large portions of the media. The correlation of forces in Washington has weighed heavily in favor of the Democrats for a decade.

    No longer. The election of Donald Trump has brought unified Republican government to Washington and overturned our understanding of how politics works. Or at least it should have done so.

    The Democrats seem not to understand how to deal with Trump and the massive change he is about to bring to the nation’s capital. During the general election they fell for the idea that Trump can be defeated by conventional means, spending hundreds of millions of dollars in negative television advertising and relying on political consultants beholden to whatever line Politico was selling on a given day.

    This strategy failed Trump’s Republican primary opponents, but Democrats figured that was simply because the GOP was filled with deplorables. It was a rationalization that would cost them.


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      It really is astonishing to see them continue to throw their weight around, like Schumer and Pelosi. Oh, and they will play the “obstructionist” card, only when THEY do it, it will be a matter of principle and conscience, dontcha know.

      Yeah – they are delusional alright!

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    CNN Host Asks Tim Kaine Not to Be So Melodramatic About GOP’s Obamacare Repeal Effort


    When even a left-wing media channel like CNN thinks you are being hyperbolic/hysterical then maybe the Dems might want to forgo such nonsense and act less like Chicken Little and more like rational beings.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      DANG, that is saying something, isn’t it? Can’t believe someone at CNN told Kaine to settle down abt this. WOW!

      I might add, I am so sick of the media acting like the Reps have NO idea with what they will replace Obamacare, as if they will just yank it away and not replace it with anything. That is their game to try and make the Reps look bad.

      Along those lines, there was this whole front page story abt how many jobs will be lost in SC and how much it will cost us if Obamacare is taken away AND isn’t replaced with anything. “Chicken Little” is exactly of what I thought when I was reading it. What a waste of time the whole article was – it was conjecture to scare people.


  9. kenoshamarge Says:

  10. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good for him for calling out the media on their HORRIFIC coverage of this sick, despicable attack. Honest to god, Don Lemon demonstrates how lacking in reason, logic, and intellect he is every time he opens his mouth. Good GRIEF. HOW do these people have these jobs?? Wow…

  11. kenoshamarge Says:

    This “mocking” of the silly celebutards and their silly videos is a hoot!

  12. helenk3 Says:

    a little mom bragging.
    my son is working building this

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh,, wow, Helen – that is so cool! We are going there at the end of Feb, with our friends from Baton Rouge and our 6 yr old godson. We are definitely going to Animal Kingdom, too. Sure wish it was going to be done by then. It looks AWESOME!!!

      Oh, and of course, our house is supposed to be done by then and now my spine doc is saying I need the same decompression and fusion in my neck as my back, but we made these plans months ago, so yeah – we’re going!

      You must be so proud of your son, Helen!

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