Young Marchers, A Primer, And One Person’s Plea *Open Thread*

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This past weekend was the annual March for Life, the 44th such march. If you failed to see much coverage about it in or on the news, don’t feel badly. You may have just missed it. Unlike the days-long coverage of the Women’s March with accompanying vulgar photographs, while there was coverage this time around (having an active Vice President speak at the March certainly helped), it was not the same level of blanket coverage.

prolifegeneration-spatterson-370x242But still, there is something you may not have heard about the recent March. And that would be the number of Millenials who participated in it. Seems the majority of them oppose abortion, according to Gallup. And they showed up in big numbers for the March. From The College Fix:

More than 600,000 people participated in the 44th annual March for Life in Washington D.C. on Friday, and nearly 75 percent were millennials, proving the claim that young people today are the most pro-life generation ever.

According to a Gallup Poll, 53 percent of millennials believe abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, and only 17 percent believe abortions should have no restrictions.

At least 100 colleges from across the country were represented at the event, each school adding a new color to the sea of activists.

People piled in front of the Monument for the rally, holding signs that read “We are the pro-life generation” and “We don’t need Planned Parenthood.”

I admit, I was pretty surprised to by this. I assumed – incorrectly – that with the very definite liberal bent in higher education these days, young people would be much more on the “Pro-Choice” side. Apparently not.

Now, I should say that for years I have been pro-choice, partly because I was a liberal for decades and bought into all the liberal rhetoric on abortion. Even then, though, I did not think it was right for women to use abortion as birth control, did not ever imagine a woman could, or would, have an abortion after the first three months unless it was to save her life, never mind after almost two trimesters. I thought then, and still do, that abortions should be safe, legal, and RARE. Though even that is becoming a more untenable position for me.

Now there are SO many medical more choices, access to so many different forms of birth control, including the Morning After pills, the need to even have abortions should be greatly reduced. Especially if people are conscientious about birth control should they not want to have a child. So it seems to me, anyway.

And there are advancements in technology that debunk when life begins. Science can now show the development of a fetus from very early on up, and it is, most decidedly, a living organism, not just a few cells glommed together. So yeah, it makes it harder for me to still be even a bit pro-choice. Heck, I can barely stand to kill a bug (and usually take it outside). To think of discarding a fetus that is a human makes me ill to even consider.

Along those lines, it is to the memes of the “Pro-choice” community I want to turn.  I have heard all of the arguments for abortion, and truth be told, likely used some myself. But then again, as Daniel Payne notes in his “Primer” piece at The Federalist, people like me got our talking points from people in the Pro-Choice, not Pro-Life Community. He has a point there. Here, then, are a couple of arguments he clarifies:

[…]

A Fetus Isn’t Necessarily Human

Pro-Choice Objection: “Actually, the unborn are not human beings!”

Pro-Life Response: This is incorrect. From the moment of conception—when a sperm meets, and fertilizes, an egg—the unborn are fully living, genetically distinct, and biologically self-directing autonomous individuals of the species Homo sapiens­­—i.e., human beings. Modern medicine, specifically embryology, is very clear about this. Unborn humans at various stages may be smaller, weaker, less-developed, stranger-looking, more helpless, and less personable than other human beings, but this does not make them any less human.

[…]

It’s Her Body, She Can Do What She Want

Objection: “Maybe all of that is true. Even so, a woman still has the right to do whatever she wants with her body. That includes abortion.”

Response: A woman does indeed have a right to do whatever she wants with her body—but not with someone else’s body, and the unborn child inside of her is clearly not “her body.” Embryology is very clear on this point: from the moment of conception onward there exists in a woman’s uterus a genetically distinct, fully individual human being. A pregnant woman shouldn’t be allowed to kill this human being or harm him in any way.

[…]

We prohibit all sorts of behaviors that nominally only affect our bodies but can have adverse effects on other people’s bodies, as well. Abortion is one of those behaviors, all the more so because (a) it is intended to harm another person, and (b) the full intent of that harm is death.

I support the rights of women to do whatever they wish with their own bodies. I just don’t believe they have the right to do whatever they want with anyone else’s. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Now, I admit that the one about a woman’s body being her own and the implications of that in terms of the fetus as human is a compelling argument. I am going to have to sit with this and the other points Payne makes in his Primer. I recommend reading it in its entirety.

I want to close with this following piece, also from The Federalist, about a disabled lawmaker in the United Kingdom. He may be across the Pond, but that does not mean his sentiments are any less profound. From The Federalist:

During a parliamentary debate last week, Lord Kevin Shinkwin spoke out against a legal loophole that allows selective abortions based on disability in the United Kingdom.

“I can see from the trends in abortion on grounds of disability that the writing is on the wall for people like me,” said Shinkwin, who is disabled. “People with congenital disabilities are facing extinction. If we were animals, perhaps we might qualify for protection as an endangered species. But we are only human beings with disabilities, so we do not.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Stunning words, are they not? And they left me in tears. His statement, especially comparing humans to animals, speaks volumes…

Oh – one last voice to consider, if you are interested in the March for Life. That would be Rep. Mia Love of Utah. You can click here to read some of what she said at the March for Life, and/or watch a video of her speech.

That’s it for me. It’s all yours now. This is an Open Thread.

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30 Responses to “Young Marchers, A Primer, And One Person’s Plea *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Great Post Amy – with lots of meaty information. I think that piece from the Federalist should be required reading for any Pro-Life person. It not only gives you responses it gives you the reason behind them.

    Like you I was once Pro-Life. I thought that I didn’t have the “right” to choose for someone else. I knew I would never abort – the minute I knew I was pregnant it was a baby. My baby. Kill my baby? What kind of a monster do you think I am?

    And aborting for gender or physical problems? Definitely not for gender. Ever. If some one believes they cannot live with a handicapped child they don’t need to kill it – there are people who will adopt such babies. People with hearts so big I cannot even imagine them.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thank you, Marge. This has been a long process for me. But as time has gone on, I have begun to see just how much I had been had by the Pro-Choice lobby. That was cemented for me when I watched this amazing video of the development of a fetus from inception on. How quickly it looks identifiably HUMAN put the lie to bed that it was just a clump of cells. Well, YES, if that “clump” is human.

      I have never forgotten either a young woman in a Medical Ethics class I took in college speaking up when everyone was talking abt how of course you should abort a Downs Syndrome baby. Her sister was a Downs Syndrome child, and she said the love her sister brought to their family was beyond compare. Abort her? Not on your life.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

  3. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I am so tired of all of these liberals ranting and raving abt the ban Trump has put forth for 90 days. That Obama had one for 6 MONTHS, and that he picked the countries Trump listed as ones in which people could not travel, speaks volumes. These people have no idea how foolish ad idiotic they are. And all of y liberal friends jumping on this bandwagon are included in that. Hypocrisy seems to reign supreme.

    But for OBAMA to start speaking out on this is just WRONG. It is a longstanding policy for Former Presidents, especially the one who has just left office, to KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT. Obama cannot stop being in the spotlight, and Democrats in general, like Schumer and Pelosi, are following suit. Never mind that over one thousand seats held by Dems were lost under Obama. He needs to shut the hell up already and get off the stage. Especially because he is fueling the flames of anger.

    I am sick to death of these incredibly poor sports already. And I am really not happy abt having to continually defend a Trump Presidency…

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      The Federalist has apiece abt this very thing: http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/31/obama-quit-opining-trump-get-back-golf/

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      The incredible narcissism of Obama cannot stand to have another narcissist get more attention than he does. He is a whiny, petty little man elevated by the media and other liberals because of the melanin in his skin.

      And he is NOT the first black president. Unless his white mother had nothing to do with his birth.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        You got that right, Marge. Isn’t it AMAZING how Obama’s white family – the ones who REARED him – have been pretty much written out of his history once he got elected? Not that he hadn’t already thrown his grandmother under the bus, mind you – the one who sent him to that exclusive school in Hawaii. Uh, yeah.

        And you nailed it – he is petty, whiny, and a narcissist. He really needs to learn how to leave GRACIOUSLY. Mainly, he just needs to learn to LEAVE.

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    First Black President snuck $221 million to the Palestinians instead of sending it to Flint, Michigan where he received 100% of the black vote. Twice. ~ Stacy Washington

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      No. Kidding. Meanwhile, the liberals continue to foment dissent and make outrageous claims abt the Republicans (my fave is that they have NOTHING with which to replace Obamacare – they have had plans all along – the Dems just didn’t want to USE any of them. The Dems lied then, and they are lying now, trying to scare people that they will lose their ins. and there will not be any other high-priced alternative for them. Oh, wait – they may have left out that “high-priced” part.

      Anyway, it is amazing how they totally forget paces like FLINT – a Dem. run city that took itself down with decisions their City Council made and have succeeded in blaming ALL on the Reps…

    • cindyindie Says:

      Marge–Isn’t that unforgivable!! So glad he’s gone!

  6. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Well, the Senate Committee has passed DeVos on to the full Senate: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/317044-senate-committee-approves-devos-nomination

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      So they confirmed her huh – well that’s good. I think she will be a good one. Personally I would prefer they eliminate the Dept. of Education entirely and let the states handle schools on their own. I bet the kids in red states would get a better education.

      Earlier Democrats were boycotting the confirmation votes for HHS nominee Tom Price and Treasury Secretary.

      Democrats act like little kids. I remember all too well when the Democrat State Senators from Wisconsin ran away and hid little naughty little children instead of voting on the Teacher’s union bill. They paid a price at the polls the next time too.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I don’t think they have passed her yet – just the Committee passed her on to the Full Senate.

        I just saw something abt the Dems and what big babies they are being abt these nominations. I mean, really – why is it THEY can get away with being obstructionist, but if a Rep even THINKS abt not voting their way, they go ballistic?? Oh, right because they are babies and the media plays their game.

        Oh YES!!! I remember that! Wasn’t that just so juvenile?? What is wrong with these people?? Sheesh…

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          The few far left idiots will like this, along with the biased and corrupt media but average people are not going to like it one little bit.

          Only 2 of the run away State Senators were ever re-elected here in Wisconsin. One was Robert Werch from my district. I would crawl over broken glass to vote against the old fool but he gets re-elected time and time again. And he’s a total jackass and does nothing for Kenosha or the state. I just can’t figure it out.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            Wow, that is telling indeed! Yet the Dems REFUSE to take any responsibility for their dwindling numbers. It is just incredible.

            Ugh. Werch sounds like a piece of work…

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    It’s Gorsuch for the Supreme Court and that’s great with me. Trump is making me eat my own words and that’s fine. I rather have him do things like this than be right!

  8. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Greg Gutfeld had a great segment on the big fat Dem babies crying abt the Constitution being violated – as if protecting the homeland is NOT a part of the Constitution! Good grief. These people are just silly.

    Oh, and Gutfeld is spot on abt the other Muslim nations that are NOT taking in Muslim refugees. No. Kidding.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I saw that over at Right Scoop. It was great.

      And the absolute hysteria and dishonesty coming from the Democrats and their lapdog media is stunning. Did they learn nothing from the election? Do they still think they can tell their lies and a majority of people will believe?

      The fact is, and this stuns me, it appears a majority of people agree with Trump. And the promises he keeps, which most politicians never do, the more the people will be behind him.

      As you said, Sheesh!

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        It is stunning. I am so, so sick of the ginned up controversies based on flat out lies and distortions. It is just incredible. People do not bother to fact-check one BIT when they spew things. Ugh.

        I have to say, I was thinking abt that this morning, Marge – the way these idiots are acting, they really ARE ensuring a 2nd term for Trump…

    • cindyindie Says:

      Cuz–Here is a great article explaining why Trump is exactly right on the immigrant moratorium. Honestlawyer read it too and said it was an excellent explanation of what the constitution says re: Executive Branch and national security. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444371/

      The hysteria today is a result of the United States finally having an Executive Branch that is doing what it is Constitutionally supposed to do: Enforce Federal Law! Surprise!! 🙂

      Love to you, Suzy, Marge, et al!

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Thank you SO much for this, Cuz! If HonestLawyer says it is a good explanation, I have no doubt it is.

        I noted at Facebook earlier today that the reaction of people like Nancy Pelosi is just ridiculous when she is screaming that we follow the Constitution. Apparently she hasn’t READ the thing since she does not seem to know that securing the borders and protecting the citizenry is Job #1 for the President. I swear – I hope someone unseats that woman…

        Anyway – thanks for the link!

        Love to you and the family!

  9. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I agree – Trump was right to stop funding abortions abroad: http://thefederalist.com/2017/02/01/trump-right-not-force-americans-fund-abortions-abroad/

  10. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    This article has some unbelievably disturbing videos abt Planned Parenthood and their responses regarding Ultrasounds: http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/31/new-videos-reveal-planned-parenthood/

    Yeah. We need to stop giving them our damn tax money.

  11. cindyindie Says:

    Cuzin-
    EXCELLENT post! And amazing numbers. I totally agree with your stance on abortion now…We know so much more than we did 40 years ago. And as Laura Ingraham says, “the Left is so adamant about the rights of females…..except those in the womb!”

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      CUZ!! I was thinking of you JUST this morning. So good to *see* you! Btw, my post for Thurs. is abt the Sec of Education nominee. As a teacher, I would love to hear your thoughts. So stay tuned for that…

      And yes – things have changed a LOT in the past 40 yrs when it comes to what we know and can see. The hypocrisy of the Left is so clear, yet they are completely blind to it. Stunning…

      It has been a long journey, and I am still sitting with some of it. OTOH, it seems a necessary evil to ensure the safety of abortions in the first trimester lest women be subjected to poor conditions. But OTOH, it i a bitter, bitter pill to swallow to think of taking the life of a baby period. Sigh…

      Thanks for weighing in!

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