Obamacare R&R May Take A While *Open Thread*


President Trump said in his pre-Super Bowl interview that it may take a year to repeal and replace Obamacare.

Know what? I’m okay with that. Why? Because I have said all along that the manner by which the Democrats crammed this horrible law down our throats, not taking the time to take up sober deliberation of such a critical issue, but operating solely on ideology, is what gave us this behemoth.

Of course, that isn’t quite how Trump put it in his interview with Bill O’Reilly. Despite the hyperbole though, that is the essence of it. From The Hill:


“Yes, in the process and maybe it’ll take till sometime into next year but we’re certainly going to be in the process,” Trump replied.

“You have to remember Obamacare doesn’t work so we are putting in a wonderful plan,” he added.

“It statutorily takes a while to get. We’re going to be putting it in fairly soon, I think that yes I would like to say by the end of the year at least the rudiments but we should have something within the year and the following year.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Yes, I am sure it will be a “wonderful plan.” Heck, I’d settle for one that doesn’t cost an arm and a leg, that doesn’t punish people, that doesn’t make us have coverage for medical issues that we don’t need, and that doesn’t force us to pay more for less. Is that too much to ask? I don’t think so. If it takes a year, so be it, as long as it is a measured, thoughtful plan that will actually HELP Americans, not hurt us.

So with what will the Republicans replace the Democrats’ horrible law? Well, despite the claims by the media and Democrats in general – sorry – didn’t mean to be redundant, Republicans actually DO have plans for replacing Obamcare. The Daily Wire has a piece out with the Top Seven Republican plans to replace Obamacare. I am sure different people will like different ones, but if they can come up with one that reduces the incredible cost of Obamacare and actually does more harm than good, that would be a welcome change.

Here is one from Speaker Paul Ryan. You may recall that Ryan constantly sounded the call of how unbelievably expensive Obamacare was going to be, WAY more than the Democrats said it would. He was right:

Here s Ryan’s plan as outlined in the Daily Wire:

2. Speaker of the House Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) proposal. Part of Ryan’s “A Better Way” agenda involved a plan to repeal and replace Obamacare that united many House Republicans in the summer of 2016. The key aspects of Ryan’s plan include:

  • Replace the tax incentive towards employer-sponsored insurance with refundable tax credits that consumers can use to buy healthcare and contribute to their HSAs.
  • Repeal the employer and individual mandates.
  • Repeal the pre-existing conditions mandate and offer high-risk insurance pools as an alternative.
  • Block grant Medicaid so states have more flexibility with the program.
  • Reduce state barriers to buy health insurance.
  • Keep the provision allowing children to stay on their parents’ plans until age 26.
  • Transform Medicare into a “premium support” system, where Medicare provides subsidies for seniors to purchase private health plans.

The editors at National Review hailed the Ryan plan as a blueprint that “builds on successful reforms of the past and points us toward a more market-oriented, consumer-driven model.” However, the plan received very little attention due to the fact that it was unveiled in the heat of the general election.

It is all about timing, isn’t it? But just because there was a whole lot going on then is no reason to ignore Ryan’s plan now. I hope the Republicans will take a long hard look at Ryan’s replacement plan and consider it as a viable alternative.

From both the Senate and the House, comes this plan. From the Daily Wire:

3. The Patient CARE Act. Co-sponsored by Sens. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Richard Burr and Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI). The notable parts of Obamacare being repealed includes, via Forbes:

  • Medicaid is reformed by imposing a capped per-beneficiary allotment adjusted for inflation (a less stringent form of block-granting Medicaid insofar as it automatically adjusts for changes in the number of Medicaid eligibles);
  • Obamacare’s income-related subsidies are replaced with less expensive tax credits that vary by age, family status and income (disappearing above 300 percent of federal poverty level).
  • The long-standing tax exclusion for employer-provided health insurance coverage is retained, but the ACA’s Cadillac tax is replaced by a functionally-equivalent cap on the amount of the exclusion ($12,000 for single and $30,000 for family coverage); workers  in firms with fewer than 100+ workers would be allowed to purchase non-group coverage with tax credits.

However, a number of Obamacare provisions would still stand:

  • May not establish lifetime limits on the dollar value of insurance benefits to beneficiaries;
  • Cannot deny nor terminate coverage for medical reasons; and
  • Are required to offer coverage to dependents up to age 26.
  • The 3:1 age rating restrictions under the ACA are repealed and replaced only with a one-to-five maximum age rating ratio (moreover, states may elect to opt out of this requirement).

Per Forbes, the Patient CARE Act would cause premiums to be reduced across the board, particularly a six percent decrease for family catastrophic plans and 11 percent for family Bronze plans under Obamacare. It would also reduce the deficit by $534 billion in nearly 10 years but increase the number of uninsured Americans by 4 million. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Well, I could sure get behind reducing those costs for the Bronze plan. That is what we have had to end up with after having VERY good care with lower deductibles, out of pocket expenses, and lower premiums. Since Obamacare was forced on us, it is the exact opposite: much, much higher premiums; reduced benefits; much higher deductible (try 3 times as much as it was); and much higher out of pocket expenses (again, about 3 times as much as it had been).

obamacare-everyone-hates-political-cartoon1All I know is that something has to give. I would LOVE to have it be sooner just so it isn’t costing us so damn much, but I would take a reasoned, measured approach to health care in America, something the Democrats refused to do. Now they are playing obstructionist to attempts to actually help the American people who, by the way, NEVER WANTED OBAMACARE.

So let’s hope the Republicans will actually do what they said they were going to do. Wouldn’t that be a pleasant surprise? Uh, yeah…

That’s what I think. How about you? This is an Open Thread.



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17 Responses to “Obamacare R&R May Take A While *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    So glad you decided to tackle this important issue Amy. You did it well.

    Far too many people seem to think that overhauling a hastily and incompetently constructed POS Health Insurance Plan like ObamaCare can just be made to go poof. It doesn’t, and it shouldn’t work that way.

    It needs to be dismantled slowly and carefully to cause the least possible distress to the people. Democrats didn’t bother to do that when they crammed this monstrosity down the throats of a public that never really wanted it.

    I agree with those that say it was designed to fail so that the Dems could then install what they really wanted, single payer. That’s why the angst over Hillary losing, she was supposed to complete the process. JMO of course but I’d bet it’s close to the truth.

    The Dems, unlike the Republicans are capable of long range plans and willing to lose in order to get what they want. They didn’t take over education or media or the EPA all at once did they?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks, Marge. It truly is an issue that affects everyone, through our taxes for sure, and for many, through our insurance premiums.

      I am sure it was designed to fail, too. The Dems never dreamed they would lose to the Reps, not after The One. Surprise!

      So yeah – we need to take our time, study which will be the best plan or amalgam of plans, and move forward with REAL transparency this time…

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    Betsy DeVos confirmed, VP Pence casts tiebreaking vote

    Betsy DeVos’ nomination to be education secretary on Tuesday, by using his constitutional power to cast a tiebreaking vote in the Senate after two Republicans jumped ship and voted with Democrats against her confirmation.

    Two centrist Republicans, Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, followed through on their plans to vote against DeVos, citing opposition from teachers and parents who fear DeVos’ school choice advocacy will hurt public schools.

    That created a 50-50 tie in the Senate, forced Pence to break the tie and confirm her in a 51-50 vote. It was the first time ever a vice president has broken a tie for a Cabinet slot.


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I got home just in time to see that. Can’t believe the two Reps who didn’t vote for her. They don’t have to walk in lockstep, mind you, but after the debacle that is Common Core, you would think people would WANT someone who had different ideas!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I doubt that Collins will pay a price for voting with the Dems, hell an east coast Republican is the same as a moderate Democrat.

        But Murkowski? She may be sorry for this. I hope so.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I agree with your analysis, and we can only be so lucky to have this come back and bite Murkowski.

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    Media Critic To CNN’s Stelter: You’re Borderline ‘Ridiculous Figure,’ Media Are At War to Take Trump ‘Down’

    Author and columnist Michael Wolff, who regularly contributes to USA Today and The Hollywood Reporter, said no one with credibility denies the liberal media are at war with President Donald Trump and want to take him “down,” and added that CNN’s senior media reporter Brian Stelter is a borderline “ridiculous figure” and the front page of the New York Times “looks like it’s 1938 in Germany every day.”

    Wolff further said The New Yorker has dropped all of its journalism standards and is nothing more than a constant “opinion vehicle.”


    Cannot see anything in Mr. Wollf’s statements with which to disagree.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Neither can I. He hits the nail on the head. I noticed, too, that they are doing the same thing to KellyAnn that they did to Palin – misspeak for a NANOSECOND and even when you correct it, it it the MISTAKE they tweet out all over creation.

      Obama makes a mistake – and he made PLENTY – and they ignore it like it never happened.

      It is blatantly obvious to everyone – except the liberal elite – that they are showing their ideology all over the place in the way they “r”eport. They did the same thing to Bush.

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  9. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I’m shocked, just SHOCKED, I tell ya, that Holder is cashing in by hating on Trump:http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/02/07/eric-holder-is-getting-rich-opposing-president-trump-n2282789

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Hating on Trump is in fashion now. From the left, as always and from the #NeverTrump people suffering from TDS.

      Holder only makes himself ridiculous. Can none of these cockroaches keep their opinions to themselves? Why do they feel the need to run their mouths?

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Beats the hell out of me. It is just astonishing. They really are clueless abt how much damage Dems did and that is why they keep losing. Check that – they refuse to ADMIT it – big difference…

  10. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I love my Senator. He has such a great sense of humor, which he uses to defuse potentially incendiary issues: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2017/02/07/sen-tim-scott-gives-everyone-a-reality-check-on-betsy-devos-n2282761

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