Giving VOICE To Victims *Open Thread*


the-path-to-citizenshipNo doubt, you are hearing all KINDS of things in the news about Trump’s latest on Immigration  and the impact it will have. But there are some other things in the works that aren’t getting as much notice mainly because of the ruckus Democrats are raising at the thought we might actually start FOLLOWING THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS on Immigration.

Gee, what kind of crazy talk is THAT, following the dang LAW? Well, to many Americans, it isn’t cray cray at all, but what we should have been doing all along. So here are a few of the things Trump plans to do with his most recent proclamation. From USA Today:


“Everybody who is here illegally is subject to removal at any time. That is consistent with every country, not just ours,” Spicer said. “But the priority that the president has laid forward (are) the people who have committed a crime or pose a threat to our public.”

The memos fulfill Trump’s campaign promises to crack down on illegal immigration. Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which advocates for lower levels of legal and illegal immigration, said the memos capture many recommendations his group has been making for years.

“It’s Christmas in February,” Stein said. “What (Homeland Security Secretary John) Kelly has done is lay out a broad road map of regaining control of a process that’s spun out of control.”

Immigration advocacy groups were crushed. Although Trump recently said his focus would be to deport undocumented immigrants with criminal histories or who pose a threat to national security, the new memos make clear that nearly all undocumented immigrants are at risk. […] (Click here to read here to read here to read the rest.)

As well they SHOULD be. NO ONE has the right to enter another country illegally. They  do not. If they are claiming asylum status, or are refugees, let them go through that process. But no one from anywhere else deserves to be here or has the right to be here or is ENTITLED to be here if they do NOT go through the proper process. And they sure as hell do not have the right to jump the line in front of those who ARE trying to come here legally. That’s just a fact, jack, and it is about time those laws were enforced.

But there is more in the recent memo that is not drawing as much attention, and it should (h/t Right Scoop for highlighting this). Thanks to Katie Pavlitch at Townhall, we know about VOICE. Here’s the scoop from Townhall:

Speaking from the White House briefing room Tuesday, Press Secretary Sean Spicer announced the development of a new Immigration and Customs Enforcement office focused on helping victims of crimes committed by illegal aliens. The office will also assist family members of victims and is part of President Trump’s recent executive action to bolster enforcement of immigration laws already on the books.

“This office [Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement Office] will facilitate the engagement with victims and their families to ensure questions and concerns regarding immigration enforcement efforts are addressed,” Spicer said, adding that the establishment of the office fulfills a campaign promise.


Further, (Homeland Security Secretary John) Kelly immediately ordered the Director of ICE to “reallocate any and all resources that are currently used to advocate on behalf of illegal aliens to the new VOICE Office, and to immediately terminate the provision of such outreach or advocacy services to illegal aliens.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Wow. That is HUGE, don’t you think? And I LOVE that it is being funded – with our tax dollars – from the fund previously used to assist illegal aliens.

That sure begs a question, doesn’t it? Why in the sam hill were OUR tax dollars being used to help people BREAK THE LAW?? That is all kinds of messed up, in my opinion.

If you want to read the pertinent part of the memo from Sec. Kelly, Pavlitch provided the link to the memo HERE.

Anyway, I cannot imagine the sense of relief and appreciation of those families who have suffered the loss of a loved one at the hands of an illegal immigrant. Sadly, it happens more than we know or that the media or the government (under Obama) reported. Fox News crunched some numbers a couple of years ago, and this is what Fox found:


In the absence of comprehensive data, examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life. The explosive figures show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population would suggest. Critics say it is no accident that local, state and federal governments go to great lengths to keep the data under wraps.

“There are a lot of reasons states don’t make this information readily available, and there is no clearinghouse of data at high levels,” said former Department of Justice attorney J. Christian Adams, who has conducted exhaustive research on the subject. “These numbers would expose how serious the problem is and make the government look bad.”

Adams called illegal immigrant crime a “wave of staggering proportions.” He and other experts noted that the issue has been dragged into the spotlight by a spate of cases in which illegal immigrants with criminal records killed people after being released from custody because of incoherent procedures and a lack of cooperation between local and federal law enforcement officials. The murders, including the July 1 killing of Kathryn Steinle, allegedly by an illegal immigrant in San Francisco, have left grieving loved ones angry and confused, local and federal officials pointing fingers at one another and the voting public demanding secure borders and swift deportation of non-citizen criminals.

“Every one [of the recent cases] was preventable through better border security and enforcing immigration laws,” said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies. “They should have been sent back to their home country instead of being allowed to stay here and have the opportunity to kill Americans.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

So it is those families, the families of victims of violence by illegal immigrants, like the Steinle family, who will finally have a V.O.I.C.E. And it is about damn time.

Now THAT is a good use of taxpayer money.

That’s what I think. How about you? This is an Open Thread.

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28 Responses to “Giving VOICE To Victims *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Love the post Amy!

    Trump wants to enforce existing law? He must be a Nazi! /s

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks, Marge!

      And I love the cartoon. That is absolutely PERFECT!

      Yeah – apparently with liberals, following the law now = NAZI/FASCIST.


  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    Is James O’Keefe About To Take Down The Mainstream Media With #CNNLeaks?

    As the Daily Wire has chronicled, O’Keefe has been very active over the last year, exposing voter fraud, the lack of security at the southern border, and, his most significant project of last year, exposing the planned criminal activity of the DisruptJ20 group.

    I doubt “James the Giant Killer” will take down CNN – but I sure hope he gives them a good swift kick in their failing credibility.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I agree, but wow, wouldn’t that be something to have the corruption at a major media outlet exposed? Where’s the popcorn?! 😀

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Too good!

      I had written this ages ago before I had to go into town, thought it posted, but no. Sorry!

  4. insanitybytes22 Says:

    Well said!

    I’m smack in the middle of a sanctuary city and one of the most maddening things is trying to speak to our public officials about the downside of illegal immigration. Drugs are a huge problem, as in drugs have totally decimated so many rural communities. So while it is true, not all illegals are running drugs, some of them are and it has just become an epidemic. Then there is the crime, and the murderers. So like,our own citizens are suffering here and those flood gates need to shut.

    But ai yi yi, try explaining these things to those who are supposed to be protecting us and they insist all illegals are just innocent victims and all people born here are just privileged and mean.

    Thankfully, I believe the Trump administration gets it and they are working towards a solution.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I’m hoping the Trump Administration “gets” this problem. I think of all the promises he made to his supporters this is one of the most important.

      I am far more hopeful about Trump than I thought I would be. I still think his massive ego and his silly tweet crap are a problem – but if people like Mattis, DeVos, Pruit, Price and Sessions do their job it can and will be good for all of us.

      One thing is sure, the silly media will be more focused on his latest Tweet than on anything else.

    • piper Says:

      My advice to these advocates who want to help – take them into your own home with your family and pay for all their expenses before arguing that the illegals should live in someone else’s neighborhood and have others even those on fixed incomes pay for them to live here. First we need to help our own citizens especially those in the military, vets and the homeless.

      Stepping off soap box now

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, bless your heart, insanity! Sorry to hear that abt being smackdab in the middle of a sanctuary city. That must be difficult indeed, especially as you noted, getting through to officials.

      One other official who TOTALLY gets it is Gov. Abbott of Texas. He said this morning he will absolutely NOT tolerate any Sanctuary cities, and has already cut funds to one city that insists upon releasing illegals who are also criminals, like men who have committed sexual assaults including against a CHILD.

      WTH is WRONG with people??

      Anyway – Abbott most definitely gets it:

      piper, you can step up on your soapbox any ol’ time!

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I’ll go with both – seems to be a difficult concept for some folks, so apparently they need all the help they can get!

  6. piper Says:

    What so many of idjits and the media refuse to hear is the anger middle America were screaming at the government – top reason why Trump was elected instead of the other milksops.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      You are exactly right. They seem incapable of learning.

      Perhaps having been in “charge” for so long they think they can continue to bamboozle people.

      I don’t like that so many people have let their hate for the left lead them to approve of anything Trump does so long as it bashes the left. I don’t like that kind of cult-like thinking.

      Every president, no matter what party they belong to, should be judged, for good or bad, on what they do. If they keep their promises that’s good. Even if we don’t’ like them. Is the country better off because of what they do? Rate them by that. But this idolatry is disgusting. A magic “R” or “D” doesn’t make someone great. Actions do.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Great points, y’all – too many of the Elites refuse to get the clue.

      And Marge, you are so right. Not into that “cult-think” thing. Trump has done some good things, I won’t deny it, and I hope he keeps that up. But he has his issues, as you noted above, so yeah – not gonna carte blanche think everything s hunky dory that he does.

      YES! Actions speak louder than words and Tweets!

  7. piper Says:

    This article says it better than I can about the destruction caused by 8 years of Obama.

    President Obama’s Hidden Legacy

    “In 2017, America is a different nation from what it was on Jan. 20, 2009. To sign away some of Mr. Obama’s policies and laws will be easy, but to confront America’s changed mentality will not. To instead leave it as it is will be easy; to transform it back to the way it was, much less to make it great, will not. That’s because the Obama years appealed to an ugly, destructive and powerful element: our lawless human nature. The only way to truly roll back the Obama years is to change our own hearts and attitudes toward law.”

    • piper Says:

      corrected url

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Excellent point, piper- thank you for the link. I look at how differently people think in just 8 short years, and it is FRIGHTENING. This idea that people can riot and commit mayhem and get their way is SO because of the Democrats and their responses to both Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter.

      Now we see people throwing hissy fits all over the place, DEMANDING that Republicans act like Democrats because they stamp their feet and make signs, not getting that Dems lost – in a big way – since Obama has been in office, actually, and that the free pass is done now. Reps hold all three offices, elected to correct the destruction Obama wreaked.

      But yeah – that mentality will be hard, hard to change…

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

  9. kenoshamarge Says:

    Why We Need Edmund Burke Now More Than Ever

    Edmund Burke advocated for a political version of HGTV’s ‘Fixer Upper.’ Take the old, and revive it. Fix what’s broken—don’t just start over. Keep the structural integrity.

  10. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      It is truly astonishing, isn’t it? Just mind boggling the relationships that the Dems have in the Media. Hence why THEY are throwing such conniption fits these days – their Party lost.

      Great chart. Thank you!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        To me it is even more mind-boggling that they expect us to believe there is no bias. They are all in bed together but they still manage to keep their “reporting” fair.

        They don’t have a very high opinion of the intelligence of the American people. All too often – they’re right.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          You said it, Marge. It is so blatantly obvious that there IS bias. The Right Scoop had this great video of Greg Gutfeld calling out the media on their bias between the Tea Party and the anti-GOP protests:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Sharyl Attkisson is doing a show this Sunday on “Fake News”:

  11. kenoshamarge Says:

    It was nice while it lasted but a cold front with rain, sleet, snow – well basically all the nastiness a Wisconsin winter can throw at you, is reportedly moving in.

    Thus far this winter most of this nastiness has gone to the north of our little Southeast corner of the state. Not wishing them ill – just wishing us well.

    Time to put the bike away Piper or do you think perhaps this too will pass? 😉

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, my – that doesn’t sound good. Though the groundhog did say that we were getting 6 more weeks of Winter. Let’s hope he was wrong!

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