The Pope Said What? Talk About Denial *Open Thread*


As noted from this weekend’s post, today, Monday, is Holocaust Remembrance Day (and Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day). And just in time for this somber occasion, the Pope made some remarks that have raised the ire of the American Jewish Committee, and others, I am sure.

Why? Because this is what Pope Francis said (h/t The Right Scoop), as reported by CNN:

Pope Francis has drawn a rebuke from the American Jewish Committee after he likened European refugee centers to “concentration camps.”

The Pope was speaking to migrants at the Basilica of St. Bartholomew on Saturday about a man he met at a refugee camp on the Greek island of Lesbos last year.

“I don’t know if he was able to get out of that concentration camp, because the refugee camps — many — are concentration (camps), because they are so crowded with people,” the Pope said in Italian.

The AJC issued a statement asking the pontiff to reconsider his “regrettable” choice of words.
“The conditions in which migrants are currently living in some European countries may well be difficult, and deserve still greater international attention, but concentration camps they certainly are not,” said AJC CEO David Harris.
“The Nazis and their allies erected and used concentration camps for slave labor and the extermination of millions of people during World War II,” he said.
“There is no comparison to the magnitude of that tragedy.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

You’re damn skippy there is no comparison. Are these refugees being led to the gas chambers? No. Are they being used as slave labor? No. Are they being tortured? No. Are they being used for obscene medical experiments? No. Are they being slaughtered in the camps by the million? No.

Wow. Now, I am not a Catholic and I do not wish to offend those who are. But, what the hell??

This level of denial about what really happened in the Holocaust, cheapening the reality of what millions and millions of Jew and others endured at the hands of the Nazis, is simply unacceptable. And it happens all the time, not just with the Pope’s idiotic comparison (sorry if that offends, but it is idiotic). Every time people call a political leader a Nazi or Hitler for doing something with which they do not agree cheapens, demeans, and belittles the experiences of those massacred during World War II at the hands of the Nazis.

Denial does seem to be rampant these days, both in terms of the Holocaust and its impact as well as the evils of Socialism. It is to that very point that Robert Tracinski writes in the Federalist:

But a lot of people don’t seem to want to look at Venezuela, because that would be uncomfortable. A few years back, a lot of them were praising Venezuela as a model of socialism, the same way they praise Cuba. Here’s just a small sample: David Sirota in Salon proclaimed Venezuela’s “economic miracle” thanks to Hugo Chavez’s “full-throated advocacy of socialism” and “fundamental critique of neoliberal [i.e., free market] economics.” Left-leaning celebrities traipsed to Caracas to pay their respects. Bernie Sanders declared just a few years ago that “the American dream is more apt to be realized in…Venezuela” than here. He concluded by asking, “Who’s the banana republic now?”

We’re seeing the answer to that. Today, Venezuelans are starving and the remainders of the Chavez regime are sending gangs of armed thugs into the streets to attack anyone who protests. And all of the people who praised the Venezuelan regime as a paragon of socialism? They suddenly don’t want to talk about it.

This is just the tip of an iceberg of insensitivity, ignorance, and denial about socialism’s ongoing and historical track record. The bodies keep piling up, but the ideology that produced those bodies always gets a free pass. You know what this is? It’s the equivalent of Holocaust denial for the Left.

There has long been a ritual, which I sincerely hope will continue, in which young people are required to immerse themselves in the horrors of the Holocaust. There is no shortage of books and movies and documentaries and first-hand accounts—really harrowing stuff that keeps you up at night and gets seared into your brain so you can’t forget it. And that’s the point. You’re supposed to remember it and have it haunt your nightmares so that you will never allow it to happen again

But our culture never did that for the horrors of socialism, which is how you get a majority of young people having a positive view of socialism.

What have they missed that they can believe that? Here’s what they’ve missed: the artificial famine in Ukraine, the Soviet Gulags, the forced deportation of Lithuanians, the persecution of Christians, China’s Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, the killing fields of Cambodia, North Korea’s horrific prison camps and famines, the systematic impoverishment of Cuba, and now Venezuela’s collapse into starvation and mass-murder. All of this should be absolutely required background knowledge for any educated person. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Yes, it SHOULD be required knowledge for anyone who purports to be educated. It continues to astound me to see the path the Democratic (Socialist) Party is now taking in this country.

Apparently they do not realize what other country had a Democratic Socialist Party – Nazi Germany.

Iwant to leave you with this, the moment when, in Israel, they pause for two minutes to remember those lost during the Holocaust:

May those who were lost rest in  peace, and may those who are left know they are not forgotten…

This is an Open Thread.



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23 Responses to “The Pope Said What? Talk About Denial *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    I am a Catholic and the Pope offended me! Not the first time this Pope has done so. Just our luck as Catholics at this time to get a SJW in the Vatican.

    While many Catholics do nearly worship the Pope as God’s voice on earth, I do not. He is a man and thus imperfect. This one seems determined to ruin the church of which he is the leader. Funny how that works with these socialist types. Obama was the same way.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thank you for your comment, Marge. I have to agree – he seems hellbent to turn the Roman Catholic Church into secular Socialist organization, and more.

      Sadly, he demonstrates too often how much of a man, a political man, he is. And you are right – he is very much like Obama.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    Ben Shapiro: 102 Years Later, The World Still Fails To Come To Grips With The Legacy Of The Armenian Genocide

    On this date in 1915, hundreds of Armenian intellectuals – Christians, for the most part – were forcibly deported from the Turkish capital of Constantinople. The number soon escalated into the thousands, and most were eventually murdered.

    Whether it is ISIS targeting for destruction Christians all over the Middle East, the Iranian terror regime threatening the Jews with annihilation, or Bashar Assad threatening all those who oppose him with brutal murder, the legacy of the Armenian genocide is alive and well. If the world never had the courage to face that legacy, it’s no wonder the world seems doomed to repeat its indifference in the face of mass murder generation after generation.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Ohmygosh, another BRILLIANT piece from Shapiro. And he is SO right. Until we face history, and learn the lessons it can teach us, this kind of genocide IS alive and well…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Denying it happened and ignoring that it happened allowed Hitler to thrive and thus 10s of millions more died. I hadn’t known that.

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

  4. cindyindie Says:

    EXCELLENT post, Cuzin! Just excellent… and needed to be said!
    Trump’s son-in-law Jared, as you know is Jewish—and he and Ivanka are raising their children in that faith. But the most fascinating part of his family is that his grandparents (paternal) met in a concentration camp during the war!…survived and eventually came to America where they lived in NJ with many other Nazi camp survivors/Jewish immigrants. There are two Hebrew schools in NJ named for his grandparents. Their son, Jared’s father—worked his way up from Nazi camp-surviving parents, who had nothing.
    Growing up in Houston in a neighborhood that bordered the huge, predominantly Jewish area of Houston, we saw firsthand what a brilliant, educated, family oriented and disciplined community they created for themselves. My father was always telling us that the rest of Houston should be more like them….and what a better place it would be!

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Media is so intent on demonizing Ivanka and Jared for the high crime of being related to Trump that stories like the one you just told us don’t get told. It would make them, especially him, so much more human. Hard to hate people once you see them as human isn’t it?

      Opposition parties and voters have always attacked the families of Presidents and presidential candidates – from those that attacked Andrew Jackson’s beloved Rachel – to Margaret Truman to Mamie Eisenhower. There are probably more but those are all I know off the top of my head.

      Oh and some were less than kind to Amy Carter, Chelsea Clinton and the Bush twins.

      When the offspring get involved in politics as adults they are fair game I guess. But still it seems wrong to attack people for just supporting their parents. Unkind if nothing else. But we are now a very unkind society I think. I find myself caught up in it at times and am ashamed of that.

      • cindyindie Says:

        I so agree—-and can you just imagine sitting down personally with Jared’s grandparents and listening to their stories?? What a history lesson!
        Also, the irony of the Left’s hatred of Jared is that he is a Democrat and was raised a Democrat! Hello! His father has given million$ to Democratic candidates and causes!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thank you SO much, Cuz – and thank you for the fascinating story abt Jared’s grandparents! That is just incredible. WOW! What tenacity, courage, and faith these people must have had to make it through such unspeakable horrors.

      Your father was so right abt the Jewish Community in Houston. That is one of the main things about Judaism that I have long admired – their commitment to education. It is evident in so much of what they do and believe.

      Thanks again so much for this. And yes, isn’t it astonishing that Dems are demonizing Jared even though HE is a Dem? Good grief.

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    Robert Tracinski: For The Left, Socialism Denial Is Holocaust Denial
    We’re supposed to remember the horrors of the Holocaust so we’ll never let it happen again. But we haven’t done the same for the horrors of socialism.

    British athlete James Cracknell was recently caught citing North Korea and Cuba as examples of how to “get a handle on obesity”—which both regimes have done by starving their people.

    Cracknell posted a half-hearted apology, and I don’t want to be too hard on him, because in all likelihood he is simply not very bright and just needs to refrain from speaking in public ever again. This is unfortunate for him, since he has ambitions of running for Parliament.

    The problem is that Cracknell has clearly been educated and lives in an environment where the reasons for starvation in Communist regimes are considered to be vague and complex and maybe can just be chalked down to “behavior modification.” Cracking jokes about the Holocaust is a line not to be crossed, but insensitive offhand references to brutal communist dictatorships? No big deal.

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

  7. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Well, we knew Obama was giving away the store, and did he ever:

  8. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    And what a sad, sad commentary that these students were even ASKED to defend what Hitler did. WHAT is going on in our schools?? Anyway, glad they were honored by the Jewish community in Syracuse for standing up against this insanity:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Every time you think it can get no worse – it does. I can understand trying to teach students to see both sides of an issue by having them take a contrary side and argue for it. But about genocide? There is NO contrary side.

      How odd that once these student go off to college they will not be asked to defend both sides of any argument because they won’t be taught there are two sides.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        You said it, Marge. It is just astonishing. And sad but true that different sides won’t exist in college…

  9. kenoshamarge Says:

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