💉 Healthcare ❓ Open Thread



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The battle rages on over “Healthcare”.  Actually the problem isn’t healthcare because no one in this country is denied “care. Despite the hyperbolic rhetoric that is the trademark of both the leftist media and the Democrats, no one was dying in the streets for lack of “care” before Obamacare.

The problem is health insurance, or lack thereof. The Democrats, in their never ending quest to buy votes and show what wonderful, compassionate people they are promised the moon. What they delivered was Obamacare. A plan conceived in back rooms and dedicated to the proposition that the rich would pay for the poor and the young would pay for the old. And everyone would be happy.

Related imagePeople were not dying in the streets for lack of care but they were, and still are, dying for lack of “care” from a giant healthcare catastrophe run by the government at the Veterans Administration.

This government debacle has remained a constant throughout multiple administrations. Each new administration vows to fix the giant embarrassment and each one fails. Perhaps the problem is the whole idea of a giant healthcare department run by the government.

Now that the Republicans are in control  they’re proving to be no better than the Dems with their back room deals, 2000 page plans and claims of providing all things to all people.

Many conservatives believe that Obamacare was a plan that was deliberately plotted to fail thereby leading to single payer by public demand. Trump in the endless bilge spewing from his busy mouth all but promised just that himself.

The GOP after all their promises of repealing and replacing Obamacare constructed, behind closed doors, a mess. The House of Representatives managed to pass it, by a vote of 217 to 213.

The Next Step for the Republican Health Care Bill: A Skeptical Senate

WASHINGTON — A smiling President Trump hosted a celebration at the White House on Thursday after House Republicans narrowly passed a bill to repeal and replace significant parts of Obamacare.Calling it “an unbelievable victory,” Trump saluted the revised version of a bill recently declared dead as “a great plan and I think it will get even better.”

“Make no mistake: This is a repeal and replace of Obamacare,” he said.

The bill still has to make it through the Senate, where its prospects are shaky at best — but the passage was a major victory for Trump, who seemed happily surprised at his success.

At one point during the celebratory press conference in the Rose Garden, he turned to the House Republicans who’d gathered with him after the vote and exclaimed, “Hey, I’m President! I’m President! Can you believe it?!”


This disgusting bill will be used to bash away at the GOP endlessly by the left. Which makes it confusing why they felt the need to inject lies. I know it’s their SOP but why lie when the truth would work as well? Maybe better.

Democrats Claimed Republicans Broke Open Beer After Passing Trumpcare. That’s Fake News.

There was a major problem with this story: This was fake news.

Washington Free Beacon‘s Alex Griswold reported that two hours after breaking the story, Jaffe tracked down the man carting the beer only to discover that the beverages were not headed to a Republican meeting.  Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (R-WI)’s communications adviser Michael Shapiro slammed CBS News for reporting the fake news and said that it was irresponsible for the press to push this story without any evidence.

Swing and a miss, Democratic Media Complex. Better luck next time.

Even more disgusting was the left claiming the the “pre-existing” condition of rape would not be covered in the GOP bill. Rape? Pre-existing?

FAKE NEWS: No, The Republican Health Care Bill Didn’t Just Make Rape A Pre-Existing Condition

The left isn’t content to let the GOP destroy themselves, they insist on adding  “fake” news. Thereby destroying themselves along with the Republicans. What kind of stupid is that?


Fact Check: It’s a Lie That the GOP Healthcare Bill Abandons People With Pre-Existing Conditions

The bill — and that’s all it is at this point: a work in progress — repeals and alters significant portions of the Democratic Party’s failing experiment in “affordability.”

Based on rhetoric from elected Democrats and the Left generally, one might assume that Obamacare was called the “Pre-existing Conditions Coverage Act” (side-stepping the whole “choice and affordability” fairy tale they peddled), and that the Republican bill obliterates those protections. The proposed law would be a “death warrant” for sick women and children, they shriek, casting Obamacare opponents as the moral equivalent of accessories to murder. This is demagogic, hyperbolic, inaccurate nonsense.

In the first place what adult with a brain is going to believe that the Republicans would deliberately set out to construct a “death warrant” for sick women and children? It doesn’t even make sense.

Add in California’s newest female idiot to add to the  drivel and you get the following from Ben Shapiro:

  MORON ALERT: Kamala Harris Claims 129 MILLION Americans Have Pre-Existing Conditions. WRONG!

For anyone who has lived under a rock or in their mother’s basement throughout the day, the House of Representatives passed the American Health Care Act (AHCA) in a narrow 217-213 vote. The bill looks to repeal the individual and employer mandates that forced consumers and businesses to enter into a market beyond the scope of the  t from the Senate’s Moron-in-Chief Kamala Harris (D-CA):

This “129 million people with pre-existing conditions” claim has been a myth ever since the Democrats shoved it down the throats of the American people in 2010. It was a lie then and it remains a lie today. Pre-existing conditions refer to individuals who are at high-risk for acquiring severe health problems after acquiring or being born with other health issues that would likely predispose health insurance companies to paying tremendous sums of money to subsidize their treatments.

The peak enrollment in Obamacare’s Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan was less than 115,000 people.

Will the Senate fall into the trap the House did? I suspect not. And Trump will not be happy which will cause more chaos.

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The America people are not well served by the media, the political parties, elected officials or themselves.

If voters seriously want to know what is going on they should base their knowledge on more than reading a few headlines, or listening to or reading talking points from congenital liars. It needs taking the time and effort to do investigating on their own.

Usually people find that something isn’t as good as it’s supporters claim or as bad as it’s detractors want them to think.



14 Responses to “💉 Healthcare ❓ Open Thread”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Obamacare Architect Blames Trump for Obamacare Failure

    I know this will be welcomed with the left and all those #Nevertrump people who see Trump as the reason for all bad in the world.

    They will also denigrate what Rove says because it’s Rove that says it. Truth is truth and facts are facts and never the twain shall meet when you care more about who said what than what is said.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Can you believe that? They’re blaming TRUMP for how horrible Obamacare has been ever since it was foisted upon us? The GAZILLIONS of OUR dollars they have wasted and somehow that’s TRUMP’S fault??


      Sadly, way too many people will buy that BS too just because it is anti-Trump. I am all for being anti-Trump when it is LEGITIMATE. This most definitely is not.

      GREAT post, Marge!

  2. piper Says:

    Not much to say but grumble, grumble and oh rot.

    After thinking high and low about this latest iteration, I concluded that being born is a preexisting health condition.

  3. piper Says:

    Long read with tons of salient points.


  4. piper Says:

    BTW – Al Gore, I’m still waiting for you and Mother Nature to bring global warming here.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Can you believe Al Gore has a SEQUEL to “An Inconvenient Truth” coming out? Like we don’t now know how full of it his FIRST one was?

      Good grief.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Lou and I are both of the opinion that if this past mild winter was the result of global warming we are all for it.

      There’s been lots of rain but that doesn’t require shoveling. 😉

  5. piper Says:

    The Hill is feeling its relevance – newsy


    • kenoshamarge Says:

      What a rogues gallery of tools, fools, liars and frauds.

      Then too there is the suspicion that Hillary came out of hiding and is claiming to lead the “resistance” because she intends to run again. After all, she is younger than both Biden and Bernie.

      Ha, Biden and Bernie, sound like a vaudeville act that they are old enough to be one.

  6. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Can’t wait to see how the Baby Bernie Socialists who are so pro-Bernie are going to justify this: https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/08/report-fbi-investigating-bernie-sanders-wife-jane-sanders-bank-fraud/22075766/

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Jane Sanders is corrupt and incompetent. She should have been investigated a long time ago.

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

  8. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Charles Krauthammer was none too pleased with Obama’s arrogance and condescension regarding Obamacare: http://therightscoop.com/krauthammer-blasts-obamas-complete-moral-condescension-on-obamacare/

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      One of the reasons I always enjoyed watching “Special Report” was the fantastic way Charles had of taking on Obama. This is another of his excellent rants. Love it!

      I suspect if FOX management allowed it he could skewer the GOP and Trump just as brilliantly. He was, if you remember, not a Trump fan from the gitgo.

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