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The Debate Rages On, Say What? And About Those Ballots *First Debate Open Thread*

September 29, 2020

Well, it’s that time. Time for t he first debate between the two Presidential contenders, President Trump and Vice President Biden. This one will be moderated by Chris Wallace, my least favorite Fox News show host. Why they didn’t pick Bret Baier, someone who truly IS “Fair and Balanced” is beyond me. Ugh.

So yeah, I am going to try and sit through it, but no guarantees on that. You can catch it at 9:00 pm (EST) on all of the major networks, Fox News, and C-Span. This post will serve as a Debate Open Thread, so if anyone CAN stomach both Wallace and Biden, feel free to post comments, quips, and quotes in the Comments Section below.

Before the main event begins, here’s a bit from the Wall Street Journal on the lead up to the Main Event:

The presidential rivals are using markedly different tactics as they approach their first debate Tuesday in Cleveland, an encounter that will offer a major test for a challenger who leads national polls and an incumbent seeking to overcome a global pandemic and economic hardship.

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Both campaigns have been ramping up activity in recent weeks, appearing in battleground states. If 2016 is a guide, the three presidential debates will be seen by tens of millions of Americans. The first debate between Mr. Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016 had more than 84 million viewers, making it the most-watched ever, according to Nielson data. Still, more than 70% of participants in a recent WSJ/NBC News poll said the debates won’t matter much in determining their vote.

Ahead of their first clash, Mr. Trump has questioned Mr. Biden’s fitness for the job and said he has little need to practice ahead of time. “I sort of prepare every day by just doing what I’m doing,” he told “Fox & Friends” earlier this month.

Mr. Trump has been reviewing policy issues and strategizing attack lines with a small coterie of advisers, including campaign manager Bill Stepien, senior adviser Jason Miller and chief of staff Mark Meadows, allies said. They have been discussing what the president should promote about his record and how to best unsettle Mr. Biden. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

No doubt there will be lots of fireworks in this debate over issues for sure, but also personalities. This is especially true I think considering some of the most recent incendiary, outrageous comparisons Joe Biden has made about President Trump. They are stunning. From The Federalist:

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden compared President Trump to a Nazi politician and propagandist on Saturday in an interview with MSNBC.

“[Trump] is sort of like [Joseph Goebbels]. You say the lie long enough, keep repeating, repeating, repeating, it becomes common knowledge,” Biden said.

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While many on the left have called Trump and his supporters “Nazis,” it’s a preposterous comparison that insults the memory of the true Holocaust, in which 6 million were murdered, many incinerated in work camps.

The Republican Jewish Coalition also condemned Biden’s comments as “demeaning,” claiming that Biden has “been in politics long enough to know this.”

“The rule in debate is that if your only argument is to call your opponent a Nazi, you have no argument at all. Instead of engaging in a debate on policy, Joe Biden has descended to name-calling and Holocaust references,” the statement read. “There is no place in political discourse for Holocaust imagery or comparing candidates to Nazis. It’s offensive and it demeans the memory of the Holocaust, the suffering of the victims, and the lessons we must learn from that terribly dark chapter of history.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Dang, them’s fightin’ words, as we say down South. How absolutely outrageous are those comparisons? Wow. Not that anyone should be surprised, really, especially given some of Biden’s outbursts caught on tape.

Speaking of, I wonder if Mr. Wallace will ask Joe Biden about calling the military members to whom he was speaking “slow” and “stupid bastards”? I mean, there was that whole brouhaha over the RUMOR that Trump made a disparaging remark about our troops, an assertion that was ROUNDLY denied even by some of Trump’s detractors, like John Bolton. But Biden’s statements? Oh, they’re on video:

So yeah – we’ll see what kind of thing Wallace actually asks. Should be interesting.

Speaking of Joe Biden, his flip flops are enough to give one whiplash if not careful. One major area in which he has done a 180 is the nomination of a Supreme Court Justice. In 2016, he was all for it. That was then, and this is now. From RedState:

First, he pitches the RBG “last wish” nonsense. Not only is this completely inconsistent with her prior statements on the subject. But we also don’t govern the country on the basis of people’s “last wishes” but on the basis of the Constitution.

Biden claims that “Never before in our nation’s history has a Supreme Court justice been nominated and installed while a presidential election is already underway. It defies every precedent.”

First of all, presidents have nominated 29 times in an election year. They’ve even nominated in the lame-duck session after the election. So Biden is trying to invent “precedent” to stop Trump from doing what is his Constitutional right and obligation to do: nominate a candidate. Under the Constitution, the President can nominate someone for the SCOTUS until the last day of his presidency. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Time to put a lid back on it, Mr. Biden! That’s some craziness especially since the very Administration he served put up a nominee! Good grief.

There are SO many different issues Chris Wallace can ask Biden about, but will he? That remains to be seen, and I guess we’ll know after tonight.

That leads me to the upcoming election. Ballot harvesting and mail in ballots are a big concern, and for good reason. I want to revisit this story from Townhall, and Rep. Ilhan Omar’s connection to a group doing just that – harvesting ballots, one KenoshaMarge included in yesterday’s post, too. From Townhall:

According to Omar Jamal, chair of the Somali Watchdog Group, people like Liban Mohamed are paid to collect absentee ballots from senior citizens and the immigrant community. Jamal outlines a ballot harvesting scheme conducted on behalf of Minnesota’s Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, in which Rep. Omar has become a major power broker. One source in the report linked Ilhan Omar’s campaign manager, Ali Isse Gainey, to the harvesting scheme.

“It’s an open secret,” Jamal said. “She [Omar] will do anything that she can do to get elected and she has hundreds of people on the streets doing that.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

No doubt that ballot harvesting is going to be a BIG issue in this election, and mail in ballots, rife with issues wit MILLIONSof ballots whicht have disappeared over the past few elections. That has been the concern from the get go, that the results of the Election can be called into question because of all of the stories making the news about trays of ballots found in ditches and military mail in ballots were discarded elsewhere, as well as the extended deadlines in states.

This is the Debate Open Thread.