Ben Rhodes (and Trump) To The American People: SUCKERS! *Open Thread*


Oh, yes he did. Rhodes, you may recall, is the failed novelist-turned-speechwriter-turned-deputy-national-security-adviser who proposed the DISASTROUS “Arab Spring,” and who, in my humble opinion, was enabled in getting a position he had no business getting because his bro, David, is the head of CBS News. See how that works? Comfy arrangement, that.

But before I get to the title piece, I have to highlight yet another idiotic, assholic comment out of the mouth of Donald Trump. I’m sorry – I am sick to death of him, too. But now that he is the presumptive nominee with everyone acting like the Convention has come and gone, he comments are hard to miss.

This time, Trump is claiming that he will be better for women than Clinton. He is claiming, while referring to himself in the third person (GAG) that he LOVES women. And then Trump says this:


“Just remember that when you’re watching these phony, paid-for-by Wall Street ads, put out by Hillary Clinton on Donald Trump. And just remember, I said it: There is nobody that has more respect for women than me,” Trump said.

He cited high-ranking women in his own company, including his daughter, Ivanka Trump, and said he sometimes pays women more than men who work in similar positions.

“I have women — frankly, I shouldn’t say this because the men are going to get angry, but — I have women that make more money than men doing comparable jobs,” Trump said. “Men, am I OK saying that?”

“The women get it better than we do, folks,” Trump told the crowd. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Yeah. Uh huh. Thanks for sharing. It won’t matter one whit to those followers, though.

And that kind of thing is not new for Trump. He speaks of how much he loves and respects women one minute, and then makes disgusting comments like those below as George Will noted in a recent column:

[…] Today, Trump trails Hillary Clinton among women by 19 points (35 percent to 54 percent), and most women probably do not yet know that he testifies to the excellence of his penis. (“My fingers are long and beautiful, as, has been well-documented, are various other parts of my body.”) Or that his idea of masculinity is to boast about conquests of women “often seemingly very happily married.” Or that he says “it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

What a guy. Yeah, he loves women SOOO much – as they reflect on him as objects and to his sexual prowess, sure. Blech, ugh, yech. THAT is who a third of Republicans think should be President.


As noted in the title, Trump is far from the only one pulling the wool over the eyes of Americans. That would be what Ben Rhodes helped Obama do with the horrible, terrible, obscene Iran deal. Yep. Rhodes is already gleefully acknowledging what suckers Americans are for falling for that dreadful deal. From David Reaboi’s piece in The Federalist:


How would the American people react to knowing that an administration, then still stinging from Republican critiques of its anti-Americanism and weakness on the world stage, was holding secret negotiations in Oman with the most powerful still-standing member of George W. Bush’s “Axis of Evil”?

Under these conditions, Obama—with the help of an equally arrogant 38-year-old national security fabulist, Ben Rhodes (with whom he’s said to “mind-meld”)—succeeded in remaking the Middle East to empower America’s most hated enemy, the only United Nations member state committed to the annihilation of another state: the theocratic Islamic Republic of Iran.

Rhodes and Obama knew that, for anyone but the hard-left to accept a deal with America’s bitter enemy in Tehran, a new narrative needed to emerge, even if it was relatively transparent nonsense. As Rhodes explained to his bemused interviewer, David Samuels, in a New York Times Magazine profile this weekend, it was first necessary to lie to a corrupted and inexperienced American media about all sorts of things, beginning with the nature and intentions of the enemy Iranian regime. Subsequent lies were caked on, as the White House took advantage of a dangerous mix of journalists’ ignorance, their ideological and partisan commitment to the administration, and, finally, their career aspirations.

Rhodes said, “The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old, and their only reporting experience consists of being around political campaigns… They literally know nothing.” Thus they will believe what he tells them. He also tells friendly non-governmental organizations and think tanks what he is telling the journalists. Those outlets produce “experts” whose expert opinion is just what Rhodes wants it to be. These ignorant young journalists thus have quotes that look like independent confirmation of the White House’s lies…

That is just the tip of the iceberg of what Rhodes and the Obama Administration did. Reaboi goes into great length all the ways in which the Administration and Rhodes built lie upon lie upon lie and how the mindless stenographers masking as journalists dutifully copied it all down and got us into this mess.

Here’s the thing. This didn’t just happen with Iran, but the country as a whole:


Reconstructing the truth isn’t new for Rhodes who, based on Samuels’ account, still clings to the juvenile literary tastes and the mock rebellious pose of the Williamsburg hipster he once was. Samuels writes,

When I asked Jon Favreau, Obama’s lead speechwriter in the 2008 campaign, and a close friend of Rhodes’s, whether he or Rhodes or the president had ever thought of their individual speeches and bits of policy making as part of some larger restructuring of the American narrative, he replied, ‘We saw that as our entire job.’

It’s a fair bet that most Americans didn’t sign onto a duplicitous “larger restructuring of the American narrative” by junior fiction writers when they sent Obama to the White House in 2008. But it’s what the country got and, thanks to Rhodes’ work creating his “force multipliers” of freshly minted star journalists and partisan experts, will continue to get. […]  (Click here to read the rest.)

Wow, right??

This is an important article, and I cannot do it justice here, but I highly recommend reading it in its entirety. It is eye-opening, even for those of us who are already feeling just a tad cynical.

And this kind of thing will just continue no matter which one of the front runners makes it into the Oval Office, don’t you think?

This is an Open Thread…


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87 Responses to “Ben Rhodes (and Trump) To The American People: SUCKERS! *Open Thread*”

  1. helenk3 Says:

    trump’s catastrophic ignorance

    can you imagine this in charge of this country? it is like a really really bad dream

    • piper Says:

      His thinking to debt should scare everyone.

      “This means at least partial sovereign default. As U.S. debt is the foundation of the global financial system, this would quite literally threaten economic Armageddon — and clearly comes from a misapplication of business logic to government policy, as Matt Yglesias notes. Trump made his money by borrowing a lot, investing in rapidly appreciating real estate, cashing out the equity, then declaring bankruptcy if there was a crash later, as economist Hyman Minksy detailed at the time.

      That’s a sensible if parasitic approach to business. But it’s no way to run a nation. Government policy creates the underlying economic framework that allows businessmen to take risks like Trump did building up his fortune. U.S. government debt, as the world’s safest economic asset, is a key part of that framework. Treating it like a corporate junk bond would make it massively more risky that previously thought, creating a financial shockwave that would reverberate through the entire world and cause a global economic panic.”

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        His followers won’t care or won’t know because most are as ignorant as he is.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Sadly, Marge, you are right. His followers won’t, and DON’T, care. No matter what lunacy Trump sprouts, they are right there cheering him on. Frankly, it seems to be a mental disorder. How else do you describe it?

        And yes, piper – so right abt the debt issue alone. Trump’s wanting to allow PR to go bankrupt is AGAINST THE LAW.

        But he is so ignorant on so many topics, I imagine there will be no lack of issues we can use to highlight how disastrous he will be for the nation.

  2. helenk3 Says:

    way back in 2007 and 2008, I said that this should be the theme song of the backtrack bunch. I still believe that

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I still love the routine by Fred Astaire and Jane Powell because I love the dancing that goes with the routine. But Kermit and Miss Mousey are cute.

      Actually this could be the theme song for Obama, Clinton, Trump, McConnell, Boehner, Schumer, etc, etc, etc…

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Well, that sure does sum it up!

  3. helenk3 Says:

    what is wrong with this picture?

    backtrack’s dept of crime has time to threaten

    people who talk politics on line

    people who want privacy in a bathroom and their kids to be safe from perverts

    people who do not buy into the climate change scams

    but does not have time to do anything about the criminals that are coming into the country threatening our safety in many parts of the country

  4. piper Says:

    Trump changing his mind again and again. Will NOT self-fund his campaign. Trying to get poor ?????? to send him money.

  5. helenk3 Says:

    guess that old thing about keeping your eye on the ball does not prevail in centcom intelligence

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good LORD – that is just incredible! Or, it would be if we had a decent leader. This is so, so typical of this Administration. Fire the whistleblowers and give promotions to the wrong doers…

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    P.J. O’Rourke Endorses Hillary Clinton

    Calls her “the second worst thing that could happen to this country.”

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    No surprise that Ben Rhodes, who is about as scummy as it is possible to be is smug about pulling the wool over the public’s eyes with the help of a hapless media. People like him thrive in the sewers of politics.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      He really is. It is just incredible that someone like him has SO Much influence with Obama. Seriously – he is largely to blame for the whole “abandon Egypt to the Muslim Brotherhood” thing. Ugh.

  9. piper Says:

    Repeating my comment about the new definition for juicing.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Ain’t that the truth. This is an insane world we live in. And I fear, about to get worse.

  10. kenoshamarge Says:

  11. helenk3 Says:

    the idea of a third party seems to be talked about more and more.

    just think if those who left the democratic party in 2008 and those who are leaving the republican party in 2016 got together it would be bigger than both parties combined.

    many left in 2008 because of country before party always and in 2012 many are leaving the republican party for the same reason
    both parties have forgotten the principles of the founders of this country but many people have not

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yes, Helen – that is so true. Both parties have forgotten that the COUNTRY should supersede ideology, but ideology is all we get now. That and just sheer ignorance on the part of too many voters. UGH.

  12. piper Says:

    Luv me some Maxine,

  13. helenk3 Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yep – that is precisely how they roll. Propagandists all these “journalists.”

      Thanks for this, Helen!

  14. helenk3 Says:

    can you imagine 4 years of this nonsense from a president. this has to be a really bad dream

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      What a whiny little twerp he is. Big tough guy? In what alternate reality show?

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Good grief – what a SCHMUCK. He is so petulant, SO childish, such a bullying jerk.

  15. helenk3 Says:

    well he is doing his work for clinton to cause chaos in the republican party

  16. kenoshamarge Says:

    Could anti-Trump conservatives go Libertarian?

    Conservatism isn’t libertarianism, but they share some principles about limited government and individual liberty in common. That’s more than many #NeverTrump Republicans feel they can say about Trump.

    I could vote Libertarian happily if Austin Peterson is their candidate. Gary Johnson? Not so happily. But Johnson is still head and shoulders better than Trump. But that’s a very low bar.

  17. kenoshamarge Says:

    I really love this article by Steve Deace! See what you think.

    The Conservative Dunkirk

    By Steve Deace

    For decades now, we conservatives have failed to take the long view. As a result, while we were focused on the polls; the progressives focused on public policy. And while we focused on winning elections, the progressives focused on winning a generation. So convinced were we that anything was better than what the Democrats could serve up, that anything but conservatism is what we’ve gotten from pretty much the moment Ronald Reagan left the White House. That was almost 30 long years ago, by the way.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Wow, Marge – that is an excellent peace. Deace makes a great argument for admitting defeat and regrouping. I mean, really – I guess Conservatism HAS lost already. If this nation is on the verge of electing either Clinton or Trump, it seems evident, especially after the past 8 destructive years of Obama’s reign.

      Yeah, some thinking outside the box does seem to be in order now.

      Thanks for this!

  18. kenoshamarge Says:

    North Carolina RESPONDS to DOJ Letter by SUING Obama admin over bathroom bullying

    Go North Carolina!

    • helenk3 Says:


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good for my home state for standing up to the bullying of Obama and the whackadoodle Left. Who in their right minds would have EVER thought the FEDERAL GOV’T would be threatening a state over same sex BATHROOMS?!?!

      Our country has so lost its way.

  19. helenk3 Says:

    the trump ugly effect is scary. The backtrack bunch attacked anyone who questioned them, but the trumpettes are a lot worse.
    what do you mean he has to explain his positions and have real plans to help the country. how dare you question him. just shut up, sit down and vote for him or there will be consequences.
    this is really not the country I grew up in.

  20. helenk3 Says:

    happening today
    tansit of Mercury

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Isn’t this so cool?? I saw something abt it this morning, and how it will take 7 1/2 hrs to complete its journey. Just wild!

  21. helenk3 Says:

    a lot of this is true. backtrack has made a trump possible

  22. helenk3 Says:

    funny how you won’t find this in an American news paper.

  23. helenk3 Says:

    the way the trumpettes are going after Paul Ryan is a disgrace. All the man said was I want to hear just what trump’s policies and ideas are. He has been attacked and threatened like crazy for that statement.
    does anybody remember that old advice
    “read the contract before you sign it”?
    that is all Paul Ryan asked to do.
    I do not think Paul Ryan is the greatest thing since sliced bread but damn it I admire him for want to read the contract before he signs it
    maybe that is something we all should do more often

  24. helenk3 Says:

    this is a very interesting article

    • helenk3 Says:

      if trump is elected, I wonder what would happen to advisors that told him something he did want to hear? Has anyone thought about that?
      I thought that old song about the emperor’s new clothes fit backtrack. It might be more fitting for trump

      • helenk3 Says:

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Oh, yeah – definitely appropriate for the thin-skinned, petulant Man Child that is Trump!

        And good question abt the advisers, Helen. I imagine they were FIRED. 🙂

  25. helenk3 Says:

    interesting concept

  26. helenk3 Says:

    for a short break
    there are horse races and then there are horse races

  27. helenk3 Says:

    so will my family in New Jersey have a governor that is “too Busy” to govern? just like when he was too busy to some things while campaigning

  28. helenk3 Says:

    the new wave of politics?

    • piper Says:

      Hey Donnie isn’t as smart as he thinks he is – all those Democrats who did cross over voting for him in the primaries probably will not vote for him in the general. This was told to me from a staunch Democrat – their ploy for many years is/was to pick the weakest oppositional candidate to run against their guy/gal in the general.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I do not doubt that ONE bit, Piper. I am certain the Dems have been employing that strategy. They sure did it here, ye the Trumpanzees just crow abt how Trump is getting the Dem vote, too! Sigh.

        Yeah, we’ll see just how much of the Dem vote he gets if, God forfend, he becomes the nominee for real…

  29. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I’m sorry, but if voting for someone makes you feel this way, why in the HELL would you give them your vote?! Makes no sense to me, but that’s what Schlichter is doing:

    • piper Says:

      Sorry Kurt that is a poor argument for doing something that you despise. Stay home and save your insanity, you’ll feel better in the morning.

  30. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I like Gov. McCrory, and I agree – Lynch’s comments were beyond the pale:

  31. helenk3 Says:

    I am 21 years old and look like Linda Darnell, and should be treated as such

  32. piper Says:

    Ryan is not following the meme that Trump is tha Man who tells people what to do and how high to jump so Paul should be palinorized and removed from office. Thank goodness for the political wizard, Sarah the Palin. /s/

  33. piper Says:

    Lunacy dancing in high places.

    “This is the main reason that some of us cannot simply lump it and reluctantly lend our support to Trump. The Republican Party is not engaged in a policy argument; it is debating the purpose of politics. For some Trump opponents, the justice of a political system is determined by its treatment of the vulnerable and weak. In the Catholic tradition, this is called “solidarity.” Whatever you call it, this commitment is inconsistent with a type of politics that beats up on the vulnerable and weak — say, undocumented workers, or Muslims — for political gain.

    Those who accuse Trump opponents of elitism are engaged in a particularly mendacious slur. Trump is attempting to place nativism at the center of U.S. politics. Those who resist are not enforcing the rules of a private club. Many — including religious people in poor and working-class communities — are defending a vision of politics in which empathy is honored and the weak are placed first. They are opposing a candidate who mocks disabled people, demeans women, engages in ethnic stereotyping and encourages religious bigotry.

    Those who regard this tawdry mix of vulgarity and cruelty as typical of any social class are engaged in a particularly offensive form of condescension. Hating losers and the weak is fundamentally inconsistent with Christian ethics, and other sources of moral judgment, in every income quintile.

    Make no mistake. Those who support Trump, no matter how reluctantly, have crossed a moral boundary. They are standing with a leader who encourages prejudice and despises the weak. They are aiding the transformation of a party formed by Lincoln’s blazing vision of equality into a party of white resentment. Those who find this one of the normal, everyday compromises of politics have truly lost their way.”

    Rest of story:

  34. piper Says:

    Last one – Trump I have a big voice and will self-fund but could you send me a little money to tide me over until November

    “With only a big DONATE button on his website, Trump has taken in – and spent – $12 million along with $35 million of his own money, which the “Art of the Deal” author has technically loaned himself, subject to repayment from donations. You don’t get and keep $X billion without planning ahead.

    Trump recently announced his chief fundraiser, Steve Mnuchen, another longtime Democratic donor from Wall Street. But there’s another problem: Trump has spent nearly a year vilifying wealthy political donors as greedy special interests seeking favors. Much as he admits doing for years.

    Now that Trump needs them, it’s OK?

    One, they don’t trust him. Trump’s unorthodox primary run destroyed an entire field of highly qualified Republicans for whom these GOP donors raised hundreds of millions.

    Two, they see nothing conservative about the man who for years has been a wealthy benefactor of liberal causes and Democrats, including the woman he’ll be running against.

    And three, the landslide defeat of Trump, which current polls predict, would also sweep away a large army of down-ticket Republicans who were painstakingly assembled over many years at great cost. Perhaps a better investment this year is to bolster them.


    And, anyway, how will beseeching big money go over with grass-roots Trumpers? Organizing bundlers? Authorizing PACs? Isn’t this a betrayal of the standard politician Trump claims not to be?”

    Read more here:

  35. helenk3 Says:

    a lot of trump supporters are blinded by the light. do not see what is lurking in the shadows.

    no real policy
    screw the little guy if it helps me
    joke on the world stage
    no foreign policy
    no real domestic policy

    a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing

  36. helenk3 Says:

    WOW this says a lot

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      It does indeed, but I cannot stomach the thought that Trump would actually NEED a transition team…

  37. helenk3 Says:

    what I see is a very angry citizenship in this country. some are using the anger constructively , many are not. that is why you have a sanders and trump running this year

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